QF pilot relieved of duty due to alleged alcohol intake above the PCA limits

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Re: Qantas pilot pulled from duty after drinking

and avoiding eating poppy seed rolls from the local bakery.

I think the the whole poppy seeds are an urban legend/myth. In order for them to show up, you'd need to eat a substancial amount.
Plus, generally, before a urine test you have to fill/sign a paper to state if there is anything in your system. I usually dot down panadol, nurofen and panadeine forte to cover me (which l might have had in the last 7 days).
 
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I think the the whole poppy seeds are an urban legend/myth. In order for them to show up, you'd need to eat a substancial amount.
Plus, generally, before a urine test you have to fill/sign a paper to state if there is anything in your system. I usually dot down panadol, nurofen and panadeine forte to cover me (which l might have had in the last 7 days).

Whether it was a myth or not, it was mentioned to us and anecdotally confirmed (not during my time there, just during induction from the inductor). It was good enough for us not to eat any during the week we were there.

I do remember that we were asked the same questions (what have you eaten / drank) before anyone was required to take a test. I think this was a chance to confess before testing - I believe it still resulted in a suspension but may have avoided a "strike".

There were some controlled barriers on our site where in order to gain access, you pushed a button and then pushed the gate. However, the button would also activate a light that would either randomly light up red or green. If it was a red light, you were randomly selected for a test.

FWIW I never got tested during the entire time I was on site.
 
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Yes it is, 0.02 is the legal limit for anyone doing a safety sensitive aviation activity (0.02 grams of alcohol in 210 litres of breath.)

And if your happy flying with a Pilot thats below 0.05, I suggest you have a read:



Effects of alcohol on pilot performa... [Aviat Space Environ Med. 1991] - PubMed - NCBI


It depends on the industry you are referring. Most places I work (governed by the Occupational Health and Safety (Mines)
Regulations 2002) have a legal limit on site (which you are referring to I'm assuming) of 0.00. My generalized statement of "2. Being under 0.05 is not illegal in Australia" is correct in non self regulated industry (which is not required by the OHS act to have the regulation in place), but these work places are quickly becoming few and far between. Also note that the OHS Act 2004 has no legislative requirement specifically requiring alcohol testing at work.

You have also selective misquoted me above "
And if your happy flying with a Pilot thats below 0.05" - my statement in the previous post was "I have stood workers down after they have blown 0.01 on a site at 6am. Site rules, yes. Did they break the site rules? Yes. Would I have risked my life with these people in a car or any other area? Yes.".

I don't see where in this statement I refer to being happy with flying with someone who has been drinking and has a BA of less than 0.05


 
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You have also selective misquoted me above "
And if your happy flying with a Pilot thats below 0.05" - my statement in the previous post was "I have stood workers down after they have blown 0.01 on a site at 6am. Site rules, yes. Did they break the site rules? Yes. Would I have risked my life with these people in a car or any other area? Yes.".

I don't see where in this statement I refer to being happy with flying with someone who has been drinking and has a BA of less than 0.05



I have not misquoted you at all, note that part about being flying with a pilot below 0.05 is a separate paragraph/sentence, implying its separate to the quote response under normal rules of grammar. I wanted to point out that 0.02 is there for a reason, more than anything else!
 
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Regardless of what her blood alcohol level was, what alerted the FAs to the fact that they considered the pilot was not in a fit state to fly? We will never know the answers to most of the questions we want answered here. What happened to make the FAs take such a drastic step?
 
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Regardless of what her blood alcohol level was, what alerted the FAs to the fact that they considered the pilot was not in a fit state to fly? We will never know the answers to most of the questions we want answered here. What happened to make the FAs take such a drastic step?

I would imagine someone noticed the ethanol breath, and waited for the technical crew to react, when this did not occur, obviously the CSM hit the ops hotline from the cabin to express the concerns! Big call but one that had to be made from what we are reading (which is probably 5% factual at best).
 
Re: Female airline pilot pulled from flight just minutes before take off after cabin

Apparently pilots are "parts" now.

A passenger on board flight QF516 last Monday said the aircraft taxi-ed out to the control tower before the female pilot announced there was a problem and they needed to turn back.
"She said they needed a new part and there would be a delay of about 45 minutes," he said.
 
Re: Female airline pilot pulled from flight just minutes before take off after cabin

Interesting. I wonder if the CSM(?) called from their mobile, or perhaps there is a direct line from the cabin to ops? (which seems unlikely)

"Cabin crew please arm doors and get off the phone..." ;)

I also wonder why the FO didn't notice any issues with the captain. Anyway, time will tell.
 
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I also wonder why the FO didn't notice any issues with the captain. Anyway, time will tell.

Perhaps they did but asked the cabin crew to make the call to avoid the confrontation.
 
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I think the the whole poppy seeds are an urban legend/myth. In order for them to show up, you'd need to eat a substancial amount.
Plus, generally, before a urine test you have to fill/sign a paper to state if there is anything in your system. I usually dot down panadol, nurofen and panadeine forte to cover me (which l might have had in the last 7 days).

Off topic, but I work at the other end (in the lab). Not urban legend at all; many things are well known to set off false positives in urine drug screening, including poppy seeds. It is actually seasonal as well - you can actually trace when a local bakery gets a new batch of potent poppy seeds! Pretty cool for a nerd like me :) It's not the only food either - fermented and pickled food can give a false positive for amphetamines (plus a few other things). Heaps of over the counter stuff can interact as well.

But don't try to use it to mask drugs, there's further testing we do which is close to 100% sensitive and specific ;)
 
Re: Female airline pilot pulled from flight just minutes before take off after cabin

Apparently pilots are "parts" now.

Advice for Qantas soon to be fired.

Luckier her will get a short memo announcing her departure to “pursue personal interests” and a token year-end bonus. Less lucky her will get a few hours to clean out her desk.

For decades this has been the brutal way of the aviation industry. Your boss has to cut headcount and you are, contrary to what your mother told you that you are unique and special, just another head.

At least in the past, there was hope. The boss who gave you a pink slip also gave you a pep talk: Aviation ran in cycles. It was down but not out. Aviation and your career would come back stronger than ever.

And sure the pep talk was disingenuous touchy-feely nonsense. But it turned out their boss was right.

Just look at the mass layoffs in the last two decades. They came long list after the oil shock Airline bankruptcies in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ; more recently 2001-2002 (Ansett), 2004 (United Airline), 2011 (American Airline) and currently (Japanese airline)

Somehow, Australian aviation industry remained the land of opportunity. Virgin filled up the vacuum of Ansett and Qantas workforce remained steadily around thirty thousand.

No more. This time around it may finally, really, truly and unfortunately be different for you and the aviation industry. I’m sorry to report that unless you’re an airline in-house lawyer or compliance officer, I haven’t come up with much cause for optimism.

The best I can do is concoct a little scenario in which a bull run in Olympics and Northern hemisphere summer vacation, Aviation’s old-line businesses.

But sadly, that’s table stakes. For decades now, Qantas has counted on something big – something fiery, flashy and full of fees to keep the profits flowing. It was budget airline Jetstar in the last decade. Then came fuel surcharge, meal charge, brewery charge, baggage charge, booking fee, booking changing fee, the up-coming loo fee, and on and on…always the next big thing.

Today the only thing we can count on is government oversight – the carbon tax, the emission trading scheme. That’s aviation’s next big thing. And if you currently work in aviation, it’s awfully hard to see all that regulation getting you a bigger bonus.

But just hang on, you might say! How can you forget aviation’s last great frontier and its best hope for the future, the world’s ever-rising, ever-miraculous emerging markets?

I haven’t. No doubt, the BRIC nations will generate billions of dollars in passenger fees in the coming years. No doubt Qantas will get a good chunk of that. But will it be enough to keep all those folks in Qantas fed?

Do the math. Do the headcount. Then ask yourself if Chinese Premier Hu Jin Tao has much of a continuing interest in paying foreign companies fees.

He doesn’t. China wants its own aviation. Already, the global aviation industry profit is forecasted to fall from 7.9Billion in 2011 to 3 Billion this year [ Aviation: Ghost at the feast | The Economist ], half of which is generated by Chinese airlines. Don’t expect a different story in Brazil or India, where Qantas has only code-sharing and Qantas international is continuously shrinking.

Now, as I said earlier, it’s possible I’m too downbeat on Qantas’s prospects. The future is tough to predict. But here’s one prediction you can take to the bank: in spite of its struggles, Qantas will still pay out multimillion dollar bonuses every year.

You see, at Qantas, the rules of the game may change, but the end-game never does. People work here for the money. That means there will always be a bonus pool for Qantas executives at year-end, even if you’re not around to share in it.

Sadly, some of you will soon discover this truth. Pay attention to your boss’s pep talk on your exit. If you hear him say that “Qantas will rebound because it always has!” – ask him, politely, to prove it.

Then go find yourself another career.
 
I'm wondering what all of that had to do with a pilot with alcohol allegedly on her breath...
 
Dukkha what the hell was that all about?

Under the penalty of misquote, I'll stake a wild guess:

A combination of a dying culture at Qantas plus a slew of Qantas staff who are increasingly not caring about the welfare of the company (whilst top brass reciprocates) is rearing its head, culminating into ultimately the inevitable and most royally tremendous downfall of any well-known icon or person since Napoleon at Waterloo.

Final answer, Eddie. Lock it in.
 
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CASA released some data on their test results yesterday:



Pilot drinking breaches 'infinitesimally low': union

Date August 7, 2012 - 10:55AM Matt O'Sullivan



The pilots' union believes the alcohol-testing regime for its members and other workers in the airline industry, including engineers and baggage handlers, is sufficient because the rate of positive recordings is "infinitesimally low".
Australia's air-safety regulator also released figures today showing that only 45 people out of 51,000 tested for drugs and alcohol between late 2008 – when the regime was implemented – and March this year recorded positive readings.
The Civil Aviation and Safety Authority's random testing covers anyone who "touches an aircraft", including pilots, engineers, cabin crew and baggage handlers.



Read more: Pilot drinking breaches 'infinitesimally low': union
 
CASA released some data on their test results yesterday:

The Civil Aviation and Safety Authority's random testing covers anyone who "touches an aircraft", including pilots, engineers, cabin crew and baggage handlers.

RANDOM TESTING?

CASA - No offence, but WTF.....

I've have worked with much, much, much, much less responsibilities and have had to undertake 'daily, mandatory testing pre-shift'.
 
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RANDOM TESTING?

CASA - No offence, but WTF.....

I've have worked with much, much, much, much less responsibilities and have had to undertake 'daily, mandatory testing pre-shift'.

I doubt that it is a regulator that is making you do that though.
 
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