Qantas & Jetstar revealed as first airlines to fly from WSI

[kangarooflyer88]

Lol, and helicopter service to Darling Harbour as well, right?

I think you are alluding to another missed opportunity by our planners. Why not have the new Sydney International Airport at Darling Harbour? They did it in the past, it'll be close to the CBD and would provide travellers with breath taking views of the city similar to Kai Tak.

-RooFlyer88

 

[Lynda2475]

To get from SYD to WSI by road does not involve going through the CBD - but you will spend a long time in the west connex tunnel before you see any daylight.

To go on public transport will require a train from SYD-Central, then another train from Central to St Mary's then a metro train from St Mary's to WSI.

I cant see anyone connecting from SYD to WSI or vice versa same day. Only if they are having an extended stop-over in between as it wont be a quick or easy.

 

[RooFlyer]

I cant see anyone connecting from SYD to WSI or vice versa same day. Only if they are having an extended stop-over in between as it wont be a quick or easy.

I see it the same as NRT-HND - in time, once WSI grows a bit. Regularly scheduled busses between the two. There will be people who take a (presumably) cheaper option to fly into WSI domestic/international, with an international/domestic connection at SYD. Just factor in a 6hr transfer.

I bet a lot of Qantas 'award' seats will end up at WSI.

As I've said before, people's behaviours will be strongly influenced by the pricing/scheduling the airlines com up with - not necessarily what they'd prefer to do.

 

[kangarooflyer88]

To get from SYD to WSI by road does not involve going through the CBD - but you will spend a long time in the west connex tunnel before you see any daylight.

Sydney certainly won't be the first major city in the World never mind Asia Pacific that features multiple airports serving the same city. London and its 5 (or is that 6) airports comes to mind, Toronto (2 airports), New York (3 airports), Chicago (2 airports), Dallas (2 airports) all come to mind. At the same time the distances between these airports are not insignificant either. For instance, a drive from Haneda airport to Narita airport is about 80 kms and takes about an hour if you respect the speed limit signs. Similarly the distance between Chicago's main airport of Orchard Field (ORD) and Midway (MDW) is about 40 kms which is roughly the same distance between Western Sydney and Mascot. Despite all of this, same day connections at many of these airports is possible. Indeed, I've done same day connections at Tokyo arriving at Haneda and departing out of Narita. Is it as convenient as having it all under one roof? No! Then again, I think those of us who have had to do domestic to international connections (or vice versa) won't find it much more of a hassle transferring to the other airport as it is transferring to a different terminal.

 

[kangarooflyer88]

I see it the same as NRT-HND - in time, once WSI grows a bit. Regularly scheduled busses between the two.

In fairness you cannot compare Japan and Australia here. Japan you've got options, you can grab a cab, you can take a single train, you can take a limousine bus. Having lived in Australia for a couple of years now, I have yet to encounter a single limousine bus in Australia. I'm lucky if the transfer T-bus shows up on time and isn't filled with belligerent passengers!

 

[RooFlyer]

In fairness you cannot compare Japan and Australia here. Japan you've got options, you can grab a cab, you can take a single train, you can take a limousine bus. Having lived in Australia for a couple of years now, I have yet to encounter a single limousine bus in Australia. I'm lucky if the transfer T-bus shows up on time and isn't filled with belligerent passengers!

That's just too bizarre to reply to.

 

[dajop]

To go on public transport will require a train from SYD-Central, then another train from Central to St Mary's then a metro train from St Mary's to WSI.

if they ran a bus from Glenfield station direct to WSI that might be the better option to connect to/from airport trains.

 

[RooFlyer]

Here's an idea. Qantas runs connecting busses between the 2 airports, with a flight number, like they do in Europe (Germany, LH I think) to make the transfer between the 2 more 'seamless' (palatable) and to even keep clipping the ticket as you go.

QF123 ADL-WSI connects to QF8866 WSI-SYD (surface) connects to QF7 SYD-DFW.

Points and SCs (SC?) for the bus ride!

You might even book ADL-DFW with a (i) for the middle sector "Your journey from WSI to SYD will be in surface economy".

 

[AIRwin]

You might even book ADL-DFW with a (i) for the middle sector "Your journey from WSI to SYD will be in surface economy".

Upgradeable?

 

[kangarooflyer88]

Here's an idea. Qantas runs connecting busses between the 2 airports, with a flight number, like they do in Europe (Germany, LH I think) to make the transfer between the 2 more 'seamless' (palatable) and to even keep clipping the ticket as you go.

I mean there is some precedent there in that QF operates buses that connect the International and domestic terminals at Mascot. It's not far of a stretch to also serve the co-terminal of SYD at WSI.

 

[Lynda2475]

Orchard Field (ORD)

ORD = Chicago O’Hare International Airport not sure why you insist on calling it the wrong name. As a frequent visitor to Chicago all the locals call it O'Hare.

It is not typical to connect form ORD to MDW, that is a poor example, as few (if any airlines flies to both). AA flies to/from ORD not MDW (so you'd not have a connecting OW flight) and Southwest (and other budget carriers) favour MDW.

Dallas is similar to Chicago - the airlines that have DFW as their hubs typically dont bother with Lovefield. Again LCC like Southwest use Lovefield.

Now you can of course choose to travel 40km+ to connect at a secondary airport but it doesn't make much sense for business traveller to spend all that time fighting traffic when they can choose a carrier a few gates away at the same airport. comes down to how your value your time.

Im well aware many cities have multiple airports and I've flow into LGW and out of LHR on the same trip but never even considered doing it on the same day, would rather spend time in London. If connecting from Europe (or elsehwere in the UK) to fly out of LHR, I would rather fly directly into LHR.

 

[SYD]

Australia is unique in that most infrastructure projects finish on time and under budget from the Sydney Harbour bridge to Northconnex.

OT, but I hope that’s tongue in cheek?

Sydney light rail
Sydney Opera House
Sydney Western Distributer (it was a forest of incomplete concrete pylons for about 10 years - including the road to nowhere)

Melbourne airport rail….

 

[Lynda2475]

LOL - Sydney Opera House had its design butchered in order to deliver, such that it is about 1/3 smaller than it should be, has awful acoustics and isn't big enough to host a full size opera which is why the big productions are on the harbour.

 

[SYD]

LOL - Sydney Opera House had its design butchered in order to deliver, such that it is about 1/3 smaller than it should be, has awful acoustics and isn't big enough to host a full size opera which is why the big productions are on the harbour.

and an oversized concert hall that at least has new acoustics

 

[kangarooflyer88]

It is not typical to connect form ORD to MDW, that is a poor example, as few (if any airlines flies to both). AA flies to/from ORD not MDW (so you'd not have a connecting OW flight) and Southwest (and other budget carriers) favour MDW.

You are right that ORD may be a bad example as there are few airlines that service both airports, although I will point out that Delta does service both (whether there are any sensible itineraries that can be constructed from such an arrangement remain to be seen).

I suppose the better examples thinking of the US specifically would be the New York airports (JFK, LGA and EWR). It is possible to have an international flight take off from JFK but arrive from a regional flight into LGA. A similar thing can be seen in Washington, arrive from abroad at Dulles (IAD) then fly out of National (DCA) to a domestic destination.

Now you can of course choose to travel 40km+ to connect at a secondary airport but it doesn't make much sense for business traveller to spend all that time fighting traffic when they can choose a carrier a few gates away at the same airport. comes down to how your value your time.

Whether you have to have such co-terminal connections depends on a number of factors including scheduling and final destination. For instance one co-terminal might service certain less popular destinations whereas the other services popular destinations. Or it could be that when you arrive at the connection point the last flight to your final destination has flown out but there's another flight at the co-terminal with enough connection time. Of course price is a factor too for some travellers.

Im well aware many cities have multiple airports and I've flow into LGW and out of LHR on the same trip but never even considered doing it on the same day, would rather spend time in London. If connecting from Europe (or elsehwere in the UK) to fly out of LHR, I would rather fly directly into LHR.

An argument could be made that a flight into LCY in the early morning hours would enable you to spend time in London proper with the ability to fly onwards out of LHR or LGW later that day.

-RooFlyer88

 

[jase05]

Will be very interesting to check back on some of these posts in a few years time and see if the naysayers were correct or not.
At last week’s work conference we were told that everything is on track currently but we know these major projects are often delayed.
Was mentioned also that QF and others would move some of their International operations over to WSI at around the same time

 

[SYD]

Will be very interesting to check back on some of these posts in a few years time and see if the naysayers were correct or not.
At last week’s work conference we were told that everything is on track currently but we know these major projects are often delayed.
Was mentioned also that QF and others would move some of their International operations over to WSI at around the same time

WSI will be a boon for many airlines and PAX but that’s not to be confused with those of us who probably won’t use it.

 

[33kft]

Melbourne airport rail….

Might be better if we just not mention any Victorian infrastructure project in the past decade if there's any chance of proving this hypothesis.

 

[jase05]

WSI will be a boon for many airlines and PAX but that’s not to be confused with those of us who probably won’t use it.

Not everyone lives in Sydney and personally for us here in Adelaide If I have to do ADL-SYD-xx_ on any airline I might as well do ADL-WSI-xx_ if the options are there.

 

[dajop]

Was mentioned also that QF and others would move some of their International operations over to WSI at around the same time

I guess what WSI offers various carriers over SYD is curfew-free operations. If someone wants to operate a schedule WSI-SIN 0015/0545+1 during the Australian summer, they can.