Qantas' Asian transformation - highest Asian activity ever - Centre for Aviation CAPA

[yohy?!]

Re: Qantas' Asian transformation - highest Asian activity ever - Centre for Aviation

Still unbelievable that it took QF so long to return to PEK, they should be operating into half a dozen of the biggest Tier 1 cities in China (at least).

 

[moa999]

Re: Qantas' Asian transformation - highest Asian activity ever - Centre for Aviation

Still unbelievable that it took QF so long to return to PEK, they should be operating into half a dozen of the biggest Tier 1 cities in China (at least).

They'd be broke.
All the China Airlines have substantially cheaper operating costs than QF and the mainlander traveller seems to prefer the home carriers.

Of interest in China will be whether QF follows MU when it moves from PEK to the new Beijing Daxing airport that is due to open in 2019.

 

[Strategic Aviation]

Re: Qantas' Asian transformation - highest Asian activity ever - Centre for Aviation

Qantas would not be able to do the same.

I'm familiar with the context and didn't suggest QF should. As I wrote, I don't see any reason that the situation should change.

As for comparisons to other countries, pretty much irrelevant,

I didn't ask for a comparison, I asked about other examples out of interest. (It wasn't rhetorical.)

But if you want an example, how about Brasilia?

That is of interest.

I am sure you will agree flying to east coast of Aus, is much the same as Aus domestic in terms of mission.

A valid consideration but I disagree in this context. The CBR situation wouldn't be notable if QF flew the flag so to speak to any international destination (such as NZ) from the capital.

If such flights existed I wouldn't have posted to comment that it's ironic that the flag carrier only operates international flights of a distance comparable to domestic routes while foreign carriers operate longhaul.

It appears that NZ operates non-stops from WLG to SYD. If so, I wouldn't liken that to QF and CBR.

 

[Strategic Aviation]

Re: Qantas' Asian transformation - highest Asian activity ever - Centre for Aviation

and the mainlander traveller seems to prefer the home carriers.

Like most of the travelling public they probably prefer whoever is cheapest, homegrown or foreign.

 

[keybo]

Re: Qantas' Asian transformation - highest Asian activity ever - Centre for Aviation

BOM, ICN, TPE are what I'd like to see looking forward. KUL and KIX potentially as well.
Feel BOM in particular is a no brainer with the lack of any direct services currently. They seem to be doing well enough to expand codeshares with 9W just last October. At the very least, if the regulatory frameworks allow, wouldn't mind a QF codeshared EK metal fifth freedom DXB-BOM-SYD either.

Also don't buy the whole 'MH is too cheap to codeshare on' argument, personally I've never come across MH being the cheapest full service carrier into Asia ex-Aus. Probably y'all conflating with the cheap intra Asia SC runs? Just doesn't make sense they wouldn't codeshare on a oneworld partner's direct flight to a destination they don't have any metal to.

 

[yohy?!]

Re: Qantas' Asian transformation - highest Asian activity ever - Centre for Aviation

They'd be broke.
All the China Airlines have substantially cheaper operating costs than QF and the mainlander traveller seems to prefer the home carriers.

Of interest in China will be whether QF follows MU when it moves from PEK to the new Beijing Daxing airport that is due to open in 2019.

the market traffic is huge and growing strongly, QF should be able to access lower operating costs and tap these markets sharing profits with local partners (im not sure the MU agreement goes deep enough and seems to be keeping them constrained) - the Chinese consumer is price sensitive but they also love Australian brands and quality.

 

[QFflyermelbourne]

Re: Qantas' Asian transformation - highest Asian activity ever - Centre for Aviation

Still unbelievable that it took QF so long to return to PEK, they should be operating into half a dozen of the biggest Tier 1 cities in China (at least).

I'm not sure. Given the very regular, incredibly cheap sale fares QF are advertising on this route I would say it's not going so well so far.

 

[docjames]

Re: Qantas' Asian transformation - highest Asian activity ever - Centre for Aviation

If you look at the data from austrade, whilst there can be slight fluctuations, you can see the list of inbound based on volume (this data is year to Sept 15).

New Zealand

China

United Kingdom

United States of America

Other countries

Singapore

Japan

Malaysia

Other Asia

India

Other Europe

Korea

Hong Kong

Germany

Indonesia

Canada

Taiwan

France

Scandinavia

Thailand

Italy

Switzerland

Netherlands Based on that, you'd say Malaysia, India, Korea and Taiwan should be on QF's "to do" list

But then you've got to factor in the competitors, and whether markets are growing or contracting.

The 789 surely makes India a viable nonstop destination (the A332 was always marginal for a decent load over the distance). But the question is, is there enough willing to pay a premium, which Australians often will to fly QF, but inbound travellers may not.

Outbound they should be better positioned to "stimulate the market" than compared to having to build a presence for inbound.

As an example, QF serve MNL but not KUL. Outbound, malaysia is end destination for only about 10-15% more Australian travellers than say Philippines, but the competition is pretty fierce to KUL with Air Asia X etc.

We also haven't factored in connections......

 

[dajop]

Re: Qantas' Asian transformation - highest Asian activity ever - Centre for Aviation

The 789 surely makes India a viable nonstop destination (the A332 was always marginal for a decent load over the distance). But the question is, is there enough willing to pay a premium, which Australians often will to fly QF, but inbound travellers may not.

The problem with India has alway been the multitude of cities, at both ends, so if QF have a SYD-BOM service, it is not appealing to a MEL-DEL traveller (eg. MEL-SYD-BOM-DEL) vs SQ, MH & TG with their single point, seamless intl-intl transfer. That is why I guess the codeshares with 9W exist, and for a least half of the time QF was flying to BOM it was via SIN, with good connections from the other cities in Australia.

Maybe there is enough BOM traffic to support just a 787 though.

 

[getluv]

Re: Qantas' Asian transformation - highest Asian activity ever - Centre for Aviation

Still unbelievable that it took QF so long to return to PEK, they should be operating into half a dozen of the biggest Tier 1 cities in China (at least).

PEK virtually had no viable slots left. MU gave QF a slot as part of their JV. It's also important to remember mainland Chinese carriers are not allowed to operate on routes CA already operate on [which are mainly from PEK]. This provision doesn't cover foreign carriers but it goes to the point of slot times.

Slot issues are just as bad in PVG and HKG. It's why QF117/118 has different times on most days and why VA hasn't even started selling seats yet to mainland China/Hong Kong.

I'm not sure. Given the very regular, incredibly cheap sale fares QF are advertising on this route I would say it's not going so well so far.

The sale fares are mainly in low season and I think they're just stimulating demand. China is highly seasonal and it should do well in J.

 

[Strategic Aviation]

Mentioned in the CEO's foreword in this month's Spirit of Australia magazine:-

Ten years ago, about a third of the Qantas Group’s capacity (which includes Jetstar) was dedicated to Asia. Now, it’s about half – and still growing.

 

[Melburnian1]

But has QF's 'growth' to Asia matched the overall increase in seats sold in and out of Oz, or total airline capacity in available seats, from and to Asia? One must doubt it.

Yields are also under continuing pressure. Across the industry, Y fares have arguably declined in the last couple of years. I don't look at the J fares frequently enough to make the same comparison.

 

[docjames]

Qantas group. Not Qantas.

 

[SeatBackForward]

I remember sitting on a QF 747 doing BOM to SYD. The flight was memorable for all the flurry of activity as Sachin Tendulkar was on board.

 

[SeatBackForward]

If QF want to make a serious go into ASIA they should consider turning DRW into a hub !

 

[Strategic Aviation]

Qantas is growing its Asian footprint, but not to Taipei, Seoul or Kuala Lumpur

In the Taiwan-Australia market the only nonstop capacity is from China Airlines and EVA Air. Virgin Australia has recently entered the Asian market but is only serving Hong Kong, the hub of Hong Kong Airlines – part of the HNA Group, and the strategic and equity partner of Virgin Australia. Virgin Australia has mooted plans to serve mainland Chinese cities (such as Beijing) in partnership with HNA units, but Virgin has been stymied by slot access. Virgin Australia is all but certain not to serve Taipei.

Qantas has been significantly expanding in Asia, adding seat capacity and frequency to existing destinations. Qantas has also launched new cities or resumed service to previously served cities, including Beijing and Osaka.

Notable major Asian destinations that Qantas (or Jetstar) do not serve nonstop from Australia are Seoul, Kuala Lumpur and Taipei. Seoul would have been a contender for new service but instead Qantas has resumed Osaka services. Kuala Lumpur is too saturated with AirAsia X and Malaysia Airlines (and Qantas codeshare operated by Emirates). Qantas codeshares with China Airlines, but Taipei is likely too small a market for now.

 

[moa999]

Funny article not even mentioning QFs Jetstar operations which provide the thru traffic, particularly 3K in SIN.

 

[Himeno]

ICN and TPE were shortlisted 787 destinations when they were first ordered. Maybe once they get more (a 3rd batch?) they'll open those routes.

 

[eminere]

Is this CAPA article recent? EK removed the KUL stopover of their DXB-MEL-DXB EK408/409 service in 2016.

 

[Strategic Aviation]

Is this CAPA article recent?

17-Jul-2018 12:59 PM

EK removed the KUL stopover of their DXB-MEL-DXB EK408/409 service in 2016.

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