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Re: Qantas' Asian transformation - highest Asian activity ever - Centre for Aviation

How much has the Asia-Aus market grown in that time (as compared to QF's %)?

 

[Melburnian1]

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How much has the Asia-Aus market grown in that time (as compared to QF's %)?

Including mainland China, a huge amount. Multiple new aiirlines have come to SYD and MEL in particular in the last three years. Not all the passengers below are local Australia - Asia or v.v. traffic: some will have come from other destinations such as the UK, or be going there.

November 2013: annual boarding and alighting passengers between SIN and Oz airports on all airlines in total (i.e. two-way traffic, not just one way) 4.797 million

November 2016: 5.205 million.

Same figures for mainland China - Oz and reverse passenger numbers: November 2013 annual total 1.579 million; November 2016 annual total 2.533 million. Notwithstanding the recent introduction of SYD - PEK flights, QF has a small share of Oz - mainland China traffic.

Same figures for Japan to or from Oz (i.e. the total): November 2013 annually 823,000; November 2016 1.241 million. That's about 15 per cent growth per annum for Japan. Probably a market where QF carries a higher percentage given its flights from SYD, BNE and most recently (albeit replacing JQ) MEL.

 

[docjames]

Re: Qantas' Asian transformation - highest Asian activity ever - Centre for Aviation

Including mainland China, a huge amount. Multiple new aiirlines have come to SYD and MEL in particular in the last three years.

Exactly....

 

[Melburnian1]

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Exactly....

Yes, and shamefully I and perhaps others still struggle to remember which mainland Chinese airline flies to where, and how often. Especially true for flights to Changsha, Chengdu and Xi'an, to name three.

 

[kermatu]

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There aren't many direct Oz to India flights anymore, are there? Totally uninformed view but strikes me that this could be a market ready to exploit??

 

[RickyT84]

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Yes, and shamefully I and perhaps others still struggle to remember which mainland Chinese airline flies to where, and how often. Especially true for flights to Changsha, Chengdu and Xi'an, to name three.

In addition to PVG, PEK and CAN.

From SYD

• MU - Hangzhou, Kunming, Nanjing, Wuhan
• CA - Chengdu
• CZ - Shenzhen
• HU - Changsha, Xian

From MEL

• HU - Changsha, Xian

 

[RickyT84]

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There aren't many direct Oz to India flights anymore, are there? Totally uninformed view but strikes me that this could be a market ready to exploit??

The only direct flight is between MEL/SYD and DEL on AI. If QF is ready for try the India market again, it would be with the 332s which has the range. The question is, what is the yield like on these flights?

As mentioned in another thread, the rumoured international sub fleet (with proper tech crew rests and more toilets in J) would be handy for these flights.

 

[ajw373]

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The only direct flight is between MEL/SYD and DEL on AI. If QF is ready for try the India market again, it would be with the 332s which has the range. The question is, what is the yield like on these flights?

As mentioned in another thread, the rumoured international sub fleet (with proper tech crew rests and more toilets in J) would be handy for these flights.

Which is actually one route then original international 200's were brought for!

 

[kermatu]

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The only direct flight is between MEL/SYD and DEL on AI. If QF is ready for try the India market again, it would be with the 332s which has the range. The question is, what is the yield like on these flights?

As mentioned in another thread, the rumoured international sub fleet (with proper tech crew rests and more toilets in J) would be handy for these flights.

I didn't realise the 332s had the range. Lots of other variables I know, but I reckon this has to be worth exploring.

 

[Himeno]

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I didn't realise the 332s had the range. Lots of other variables I know, but I reckon this has to be worth exploring.

They used to run 332s on AKL-LAX.

 

[Strategic Aviation]

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QF flying to destinations that aren't as serviced from Australia, such as perhaps South Korea (they don't fly there on their own metal, right?)

Evidently they did fly their own metal to South Korea in the past, at least seasonally from BNE.

How can we take QF seriously in Asia when it has so many omissions from its schedules?

Not that there is any reason that the situation should change, but it is ironic that the only airline that operates international flights from the nation's capital is a foreign carrier (SQ, possibly to be joined by QR in future), not the flag carrier (despite them operating domestic flights from there).

Are there any other capital cities like CBR in that regard?

 

[ajw373]

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Evidently they did fly their own metal to South Korea in the past, at least seasonally from BNE.



Not that there is any reason that the situation should change, but it is ironic that the only airline that operates international flights from the nation's capital is a foreign carrier (SQ, possibly to be joined by QR in future), not the flag carrier (despite them operating domestic flights from there).

Are there any other capital cities like CBR in that regard?

Ignoring of course the fact that Singapore airlines (and Qatar if it happens) is flying Canberra as a destination to its hub. And with SQ as a double hop to WLG. Thats the only reason it is viable. Qantas would not be able to do the same. Said it here many times before it is also the reason why other airlines have multiple frequencies a day out of Australian cities when Qantas can only manage 1 and sometimes 2.

Getting back to Canberra, Singapore as a destination out of Canberra, eg what Qantas would need to fly the route as, is not viable with the aircraft that are currenty available. The A321LR is right on the edge though, so who knows.

As for comparisons to other countries, pretty much irrelevant, as the isolation of Australia and Canberra to the rest of the world in particular is one of the main limiting factors. But if you want an example, how about Brasilia? TAP Portugal is the only long haul international airline. Sure AA runs to Miami, but that is much the same as an Aussie domestic flight in terms of range etc.

 

[dajop]

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IBut if you want an example, how about Brasilia? TAP Portugal is the only long haul international airline. Sure AA runs to Miami, but that is much the same as an Aussie domestic flight in terms of range etc.

BSB-MIA @3600 miles is only about the same length as an Aussie domestic flight from SYD to PER that overflies DRW enroute!! It's almost the same distance as MEL-SIN.

Probably closest analogy is actually WLG.

 

[ajw373]

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BSB-MIA @3600 miles is only about the same length as an Aussie domestic flight from SYD to PER that overflies DRW enroute!! It's almost the same distance as MEL-SIN.

Probably closest analogy is actually WLG.

Thought it was a tad shorter.

Anyway basic point much the same anyway. No 'flag' carrier from Brasil flying mid/long haul our of Brasillia. Only airlines flying to their hubs, and of course WLG is another example. Though of course sees more international traffic than Canberra, but I am sure you will agree flying to east coast of Aus, is much the same as Aus domestic in terms of mission.

 

[dajop]

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but I am sure you will agree flying to east coast of Aus, is much the same as Aus domestic in terms of mission.

The kiwi's amongst us would agree they're domestic... just flights to the west island

But yes they are very similar to the east coast -PER flights.

 

[Danger]

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Not that there is any reason that the situation should change, but it is ironic that the only airline that operates international flights from the nation's capital is a foreign carrier (SQ, possibly to be joined by QR in future), not the flag carrier (despite them operating domestic flights from there).

Are there any other capital cities like CBR in that regard?

I think CBR is a bit of an oddity in a number of ways (and I don't mean that in the joking sense). For example, Hyatt and IHG have one property each in the city and as far as I know that's it for major international chains. I reckon you'd be hard-pressed to find another first world capital city without a Hilton, Marriott or Starwood property.

 

[dajop]

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I reckon you'd be hard-pressed to find another first world capital city without a Hilton, Marriott or Starwood property.

Bern, Wellington, Oslo come to mind. None have spg or hilton, suspect they don't have marriott either. Also all very special!

 

[Danger]

Re: Qantas' Asian transformation - highest Asian activity ever - Centre for Aviation

Bern, Wellington, Oslo come to mind. None have spg or hilton, suspect they don't have marriott either. Also all very special!

Well there you go. That blows that theory.

 

[ajw373]

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And probably like Canberra because they are capitals that are not the main city in the country, except Oslo of course. So in other words don't attract a high level of international visitors.

Canberra on the other hand has a high level of local hotel brands, like Medina etc.

 

[kermatu]

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Canberra does have an Accor presence (Novotel).