Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

jakeseven7

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It just means that they think they still have a couple of years worth of lockdowns etc to go. So no hurry. Not a race.

Agree, in a few years QLD should have got to 60% one dose vaccination and be considering international flights (to Sydney) in about 6 more months. Maybe.
 

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Feeling optimistic for mid next year, jumping the gun a bit, but booking something makes me much happier. Smile on my face typing this.

Just booked on QFF QF9 ASP - ADE - PER - LHR for the 4th May, back QF2 LHR - SYD - ASP 20th May. 4 hour return changeover SYD - ASP, not sure how that will work for Home Quarantine.

France is preferred main visit, but safest travel I think is direct to LHR, and fully refundable QFF to boot. Worst case UK visit which is still good. No family, just leisure, but need to get away.

Hoping standard effectively non stop transit transfer, obviously not leaving the airport, going through return immigration and collecting bags etc. Looking to commence home quarantine when I return home to Alice Springs.
 

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I hope the new Doherty modelling isn't shifting the goal posts yet again. The targets were already set higher than they should have been.
 

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I hope the new Doherty modelling isn't shifting the goal posts yet again. The targets were already set higher than they should have been.

sounds like it..


New modelling by the Doherty Institute being presented to national cabinet warns that maintaining “medium” public health and social measures would be “prudent” until Australia reaches 80% vaccination if caseloads are high – with “medium” measures previously defined as including stay-at-home orders except for work, study and other essential purposes.
 

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sounds like it..


New modelling by the Doherty Institute being presented to national cabinet warns that maintaining “medium” public health and social measures would be “prudent” until Australia reaches 80% vaccination if caseloads are high – with “medium” measures previously defined as including stay-at-home orders except for work, study and other essential purposes.
It’s The Guardian.
Hopefully the actual updated modeling gets released so we can read it with our own interpretation.
 

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The fact that every single State/Territory Government has to conduct their own separate trial of an identical system is appalling.
It is appalling, but it is now 100% standard that there is no national approach. There is no Australia any more.
 

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For those of us who have missed out on once in a lifetime moments overseas the international border closures are one of the biggest policy failures of the pandemic and to not have a home quarantine system up and running by now is pathetic.

I would have put up a bond, done longer than 14 days home quarantine even if testing negative, put up with other onerous restrictions to go last year, but the government wouldn't consider any of those things. This has caused great emotional hurt and pain to many both those stuck here and those stuck abroad.

With the case numbers in VIC and NSW there's no reason they shouldn't be doing home quarantine at scale now. International arrivals of fully vaccinated travellers who test negative prior to departure clearly don't pose a significant health risk when you are having several hundred cases per day of community transmission.

The government shouldn't be solely focused on making things as easy as possible for the hospitals. It should have been balanced against the needs of the rest of society with a reasonable compromise.
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I've been as critical of the government as anyone here, and I'm still angry and pretty bitter that as of now I can't come home, however, 7 days of quarantine at home is something I'm more than happy to do if I can see my family. I would make it a 2-3 week holiday and possibly have to do a week of unpaid leave - but I'll take it in a second.

I just hope this 7-day quarantine gets revised down quickly to less for those fully jabbed and is applicable to people coming from anywhere in the world apart from maybe a few really badly affected spots. I think a 5-day option with 2 PCR tests is sufficient - especially for fully vaccinated people.

We really need to be able to travel from Europe/Middle East and need to quarantine only for a few days.
 

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Saw an interview just now about people who had taken part in the first trial in SA. Three I think pulled out because they found the multiple face check in too onerous. A couple because of internet issues. Reckon I can handle that.
 

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This kind of thinking that governments should be able to predict the future is just laughable.

We were still talking about building quarantine facilities a few months ago. Some states still are.

I want borders to open as well, I'm desperate to go overseas - but I'm also living in full lockdown, I don't expect to go from not being able to shop in my next LGA or drink at my pub around the corner to visiting friends in the UK in the space of a week.

I for one are happy that we've landed with some sanity - I never would have dreamed we'd be talking about overseas travel in 2021. The future did not look bright six months ago. You want to criticise NSW fine, has any other state guaranteed they are opening for international travel at 80% yet?

What is laughable is that you have such low standards of government. This was entirely foreseeable once hotel quarantine was started in March 2020. The Victorian Government Hotel Quarantine Inquiry said we had to prepare for home quarantine in November 2020.

We are not talking about you going to visit friends in the UK for a holiday. We are talking about getting home Australian citizens to visit dying relatives. We are talking about getting home Australian citizens who are being forced to illegally reside in another country because their visa has expired. We are talking about getting home Australian citizens who are homeless because their flight back to Australia was cancelled after they sold their house.

There is literally one seat for sale from London into Australia (Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide, Perth) between now and the end of October.

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I am criticising all governments. They have acted appallingly.

Personally, I completely disagree, but that is the joy of living in a relatively free society. My view is that thinking about trials, and apps when much more urgent issues were being confronted is to distort priorities. I have seen a number of leading medicos and researchers in the last few weeks talking about vaccines for children who have said it is so much better for AU that we can see how it is going overseas to inform our responses.

I would have said all the stuff to do with a post-vaccine, post quarantine world will have similarly benefitted from the success and failures of others. Carts and horses spring to mind when people say that 18 months ago we should have been looking past what we were facing instead of concentrating on what was right there in front of us. YMMV.

The idea that government can only do one task at a time is wild. Getting some Apple/Android developers to build an app would distract from scientific researchers developing a vaccine? LOL
 

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Saw an interview just now about people who had taken part in the first trial in SA. Three I think pulled out because they found the multiple face check in too onerous. A couple because of internet issues. Reckon I can handle that.

I have heard the SA rules are over the top. Not surprised people are pulling out.

Hopefully they relax them as they get more confident.
 

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Well if too high a rate opt out then hotel quarantine capacity will continue to be an issue.

Home quarantine needs to scale up to large numbers.
 
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What are the numbers? And is this for domestic travel or intl travel?

Nothing to do with travel. In Victoria at least home quarantine is for those who have attended Tier 1 exposure sites, or have tested positive for Covid. Some go into other facilities if they can’t quarantine at home. I assume the protocols are similar in NSW. The numbers are well into the tens of thousands.

For some reason we can’t trust international arrivals though to do the same.
 

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NSW to phase out quarantine all together next year

Mr Perrottet said hotel quarantine will be replaced by home isolation this year and then removed altogether for the fully vaccinated next year.

'My expectation is that we will get through this trial and if it's successful we will shift from hotel quarantine to home quarantine and the next step after that is just logical,' he said.

If somebody is fully vaccinated, coming from overseas, they shouldn't be treated any differently from people who are vaccinated who are living here. As we rejoin the world, it will make no sense for people [to quarantine].

'And Australians as well, if we're going to be travelling overseas we don't want to do seven days or 14 days quarantine either. That's just not going to work.
 

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Australian-made vaccines will be accepted in UK-no quarantine and a Day 2 lateral flow test (assuming we stay Green)

 

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Australian-made vaccines will be accepted in UK-no quarantine and a Day 2 lateral flow test (assuming we stay Green)

This is very good news indeed, the thought of having to get a PCR test in Europe before heading in and out of London seemed all too hard....
 

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