Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

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Surveys like this are not going to convince the government to open our international borders in a hurry. :(
When I see surveys like this I start to think the 'never' option is firming up as favourite. I have a neighbour who was born in Dunedin and moved to Australia when she was 13. She is around 80 now, has not been back to Dunedin ('too bloody cold') or anywhere else outside Australia since. She loves the closed borders because she says it is great to be able to walk around Sydney without hordes of foreign tourists and hopes they stay closed forever. :(
 

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When I see surveys like this I start to think the 'never' option is firming up as favourite. I have a neighbour who was born in Dunedin and moved to Australia when she was 13. She is around 80 now, has not been back to Dunedin ('too bloody cold') or anywhere else outside Australia since. She loves the closed borders because she says it is great to be able to walk around Sydney without hordes of foreign tourists and hopes they stay closed forever. :(
I just wonder in similar cases how many people are dependent on finances from the Government and do they understand the billions of dollars pumped into the Australian economy from tourism and university students from overseas. That the vegetables and fruit they eat are dependent on overseas backpackers working the crops. That the hotels they may stay in, even local, likely need backpackers for various duties. We are in a vacuum right now and something has to give.
 

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I just wonder in similar cases how many people are dependent on finances from the Government and do they understand the billions of dollars pumped into the Australian economy from tourism and university students from overseas. That the vegetables and fruit they eat are dependent on overseas backpackers working the crops. That the hotels they may stay in, even local, likely need backpackers for various duties. We are in a vacuum right now and something has to give.

If I have read this right, China represents - by far - the biggest single source of tourism revenue and tourism spend. In the year ending September 2020 the spend from Chinese tourists was $5 billion, some 60% lower than the previous year: International Visitor Spend - Corporate - Tourism Australia

Post pandemic i don't think the Chinese market will return. Maybe someone has weighed the cost-benefits in deciding to keep the borders closed?
 

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If I have read this right, China represents - by far - the biggest single source of tourism revenue and tourism spend. In the year ending September 2020 the spend from Chinese tourists was $5 billion, some 60% lower than the previous year: International Visitor Spend - Corporate - Tourism Australia

Post pandemic i don't think the Chinese market will return. Maybe someone has weighed the cost-benefits in deciding to keep the borders closed?
Who knows. People have short memories. People want to travel. Pent up demand and money not spent in last 18 months.
 

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Who knows. People have short memories. People want to travel. Pent up demand and money not spent in last 18 months.

I don't think that market would want, or even be allowed, to travel here? Taking out $10 billion from the existing tourism base represents a cut of about a quarter.
 

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I don't think that market would want, or even be allowed, to travel here? Taking out $10 billion from the existing tourism base represents a cut of about a quarter.
I understand SA is accepting Uni students, likely from China, in the next few weeks. Already approved by the Feds and a specific quarantine place in Parafield is being prepared. Money talks.

Much more talk also moving to Covid normal as opposed to zero.
 

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I understand SA is accepting Uni students, likely from China, in the next few weeks. Already approved by the Feds and a specific quarantine place in Parafield is being prepared. Money talks.
For sure. But I wonder if international students are included in the visitor/tourist numbers? And I wonder, too, how many of the students will be those finishing courses currently underway rather than 'new business'?
 

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For sure. But I wonder if international students are included in the visitor/tourist numbers? And I wonder, too, how many of the students will be those finishing courses currently underway rather than 'new business'?
SA has indicated that their numbers will be additional to returning Aussies cap in the usual hotel quarantine.
 

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SA has indicated that their numbers will be additional to returning Aussies cap in the usual hotel quarantine.
Still for those of us looking to travel to visit family overseas it seems like priorities are messed up. Australians visiting Australians overseas should be higher priority than bringing in international students.
 

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Tourist numbers are separate from arrivals numbers. Arriving as a student or business traveller (different visas to tourist or visa waiver) doesn't preclude them for being counted in tourist/visitor numbers for attractions/hotels/tours as they do also have tourism spend.
 

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Still for those of us looking to travel to visit family overseas it seems like priorities are messed up. Australians visiting Australians overseas should be higher priority than bringing in international students.
Hey, no argument from me. I'm going to be missing our sons wedding in UK next month. 😔

On the other hand, it shows some spirit to get things happening again and f it can be done safely, it opens the door a bit. Well, I have to think that as a coping strategy.
 

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Surveys like this are not going to convince the government to open our international borders in a hurry. :(

Things like this remind me how there are three types of lies. That been lie, damn lies and statistics...

The framing of any discussions prior to being asked (which has not been published), the questions themselves, and then how the data is presented make me think that a predetermined result was after.

I strongly suspect that if the questions where around "how much do you like travelling to Bali" you could re-write the entire article as a pro-open the borders article even with the same sample set of people.
 

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And reported in The Australian
"Australia’s international border has been shut for more than a year due to Covid.

Now, the Prime Minister has revealed new steps to reopening it but has stopped short of saying what vaccination rates would be needed to make it happen.

The Weekend Australian reports that foreign students could be used to trial a new “green light, red light” system on the international border, allowing in vaccinated arrivals who pose no health risk."
 

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I think Gladys is the only member of national cabinet to publicly state a vaccination target for reopening international borders.
 

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The Weekend Australian reports that foreign students could be used to trial a new “green light, red light” system on the international border, allowing in vaccinated arrivals who pose no health risk."

They should just commandeer a few resorts and run a study, seeking volunteers, with guests 50/50 split between vaccinated returning travellers and non travellers (some vaccinated and others not), two weeks in resort mixing and mingling freely, and then alas two weeks in hotel quarantine .

There must be some way of doing a study to understand the risks of allowing fully vaccinated in without HQ.
 
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And reported in The Australian
"Australia’s international border has been shut for more than a year due to Covid.

Now, the Prime Minister has revealed new steps to reopening it but has stopped short of saying what vaccination rates would be needed to make it happen.

The Weekend Australian reports that foreign students could be used to trial a new “green light, red light” system on the international border, allowing in vaccinated arrivals who pose no health risk."
Isn't it convenient that any trial appears to be related only to individuals who will be bringing $$$$ into the country? Why not a trial of those who actually need to get home who haven't seen family in years due to previous scheduled trips that were cancelled due to border closures, movement restrictions, cancelled flights etc.?
 
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