Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[dajop]

The Singapore / Hong Kong bubble is a bust, just like other similar measures around the world it's been delayed at the last minute. 2 weeks they say, but who knows.

Due to recent increase in cases in Hong Kong. More than 5 mystery cases a day now in Hong Kong, which is apparently the criteria for suspending the bubble.

S'pore-HK air travel bubble deferred for two weeks: Ong Ye Kung

It had been slated to launch on Sunday with one flight into each city. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

 

[RAM]

Has anyone seen the slightest piece of information about flight crews/airport staff catching CV?

Whilst (hopefully) not as bad as the Tobacco industry, I get the feeling there is a concerted global effort not to make such data available to the public - in order to protect what is left of demand.

I have only come across two instances of datapoints.

One was the Q flight crew who look like they got infected by some of the US bound Ruby Princess passengers & the other was about the flight within Asia (memory vague) where nearly all those seated in business coincidentally caught CV.

 

[dajop]

Has anyone seen the slightest piece of information about flight crews/airport staff catching CV?

Have heard nothing about flight crew but 2 airport staff (one guard and one doing COVID swabs) tested positive at Changi Airport in Singapore recently. Subsequent tests of 5000 other staff showed no further positive tests.

Enhanced safety management measures at Changi Airport after 2 workers test positive for COVID-19

SINGAPORE: Safety management measures at Changi Airport have been enhanced to protect frontline workers, after two people who worked at Terminal 3 tested positive for COVID-19 last month, said the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore (CAAS).The two COVID-19 positive cases involving airport...

www.channelnewsasia.com

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Has anyone seen the slightest piece of information about flight crews/airport staff catching CV?

Whilst (hopefully) not as bad as the Tobacco industry, I get the feeling there is a concerted global effort not to make such data available to the public - in order to protect what is left of demand.

I have only come across two instances of datapoints.

One was the Q flight crew who look like they got infected by some of the US bound Ruby Princess passengers & the other was about the flight within Asia (memory vague) where nearly all those seated in business coincidentally caught CV.

The US CDC has listed several instances of on-board infection, including the business class outbreak. But I think those have mostly been passenger infections.

 

[RAM]

The US CDC has listed several instances of on-board infection, including the business class outbreak. But I think those have mostly been passenger infections.

Am I being too cycnical or do you think its being kept quiet by the airlines along the lines of, 'You could have got infected anywhere, we aren't liable, you want us to stay in business?

 

[drron]

A bubble with South Korea is a long way off.
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So as of 20/11 30017 cases,501 deaths and 2786878 tests.
Their population is double Australias so ~ half the case numbers and nearly a quarter the deaths per head of population.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Am I being too cycnical or do you think its being kept quiet by the airlines along the lines of, 'You could have got infected anywhere, we aren't liable, you want us to stay in business?

Who knows?

Some airlines simultaneously claim it's perfectly safe to sit shoulder to shoulder in economy, but also far too dangerous for the crew to serve food or drink.

Don't see how an airline can keep it quiet. Contract tracing and sequencing means you can identify person zero.

Could an airline be liable? That's a different issue. I think it would come down to how the court interprets 'accident' in this scenario (of which there will be a variety of views and arguments, no doubt). Here's one article that has looked at the issue: Air carrier's liability for the safety of passengers during COVID-19 pandemic

 

[ayushamity]

Vietnam proposes starting South-East Asian travel bubble

Vietnam has proposed setting up a travel bubble within South-East Asia that would see visitors transported across the region to tourist hotspots.

thenewdaily.com.au

Not relevant to Australia but good to see ASEAN countries realizing that tourism needed to save their economy

Even though these countries and Australia are same in covid safety, the difference is that the countries work together to solve a problem and not disintegrate into politics

 

[ellen10]

I had a colleague who recently flew on a Qantas link flight from Armidale to Sydney.
This was her first flight for over 12 months and this was her review:

The plane was late arriving from Sydney so quick 20 minute turnaround at Armidale ( not sure about cleaning)? The plane was full with passengers sitting shoulder to shoulder and each row front and behind full and across the aisle. Very few people wearing masks. She was surprised no questions or temperature check at either end.

Now I work in a school and we can't even have a year 1 student sitting next to a year 3 student for a school assembly of 30 mins because of cross cohort distancing. Nor can we have teachers sitting side by side in a staffroom for 20mins eating their lunch. We have to sit 1.5m apart and a limit of numbers in the staffroom at one time.

There seems to be so many inconsistant rules for so many instances. I'm not having a whinge. I am just surprised by the flying rules.

 

[RAM]

Even though these countries and Australia are same in covid safety, the difference is that the countries work together to solve a problem and not disintegrate into politics

How un-Ostralian!

 

[ayushamity]

Overseas travel could return for Aussies as soon as NEXT YEAR

Senior federal cabinet minister Simon Birmingham says it's not impossible that international travel could be back on the cards next year.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Now it becomes International travel MAY return late next year. LMAO

I think Australia is the only country that is entirely reliant on the vaccine to open borders. At least other countries which have successfully controlled covid are looking to open borders independent of a vaccine if i is safe. They are atleast trying.

Australia is just sitting back and waiting for the vaccine to do its magic. Which will not be until 2nd half of 2021 (when everyone gets vaccinated and Australia develops herd immunity as a whole).

EDIT: It's now fairly clear that just getting vaccinated will not be enough for international travel. A majority have to be vaccinated to open borders.

 

[DC3]

Now it becomes International travel MAY return late next year .... Australia is just sitting back and waiting for the vaccine to do its magic. Which will not be until 2nd half of 2021 ...

As quoted in the article, certainly not impossible.

 

[oznflfan]

Overseas travel could return for Aussies as soon as NEXT YEAR

Senior federal cabinet minister Simon Birmingham says it's not impossible that international travel could be back on the cards next year.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Now it becomes International travel MAY return late next year. LMAO

I think Australia is the only country that is entirely reliant on the vaccine to open borders. At least other countries which have successfully controlled covid are looking to open borders independent of a vaccine if i is safe. They are at least trying.

Australia is just sitting back and waiting for the vaccine to do its magic. Which will not be until 2nd half of 2021 (when everyone gets vaccinated and Australia develops herd immunity as a whole).

EDIT: It's now fairly clear that just getting vaccinated will not be enough for international travel. A majority have to be vaccinated to open borders.

On the condition quarantine free return is somewhat guaranteed (and not capable of being withdrawn on a daily whim of the COVID worldmeter results for the country I am visiting), I'm off September 2021. Even OK if home based quarantine on return for up to 7 days, as long as able to quarantine as best I can in my house (with family and kids somehow)?

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

The writing is all over the wall, they arent just going to want the vulnerable vaccinated before they open up, they are going to want the vast majority and with probably 3 months of mincing around holding each others virtual hands from a safe distance like scared children before they open the border there is not even a hint of a vertebrae in that article nevermind a bloody spine

 

[mrfreeze]

Overseas travel could return for Aussies as soon as NEXT YEAR

Senior federal cabinet minister Simon Birmingham says it's not impossible that international travel could be back on the cards next year.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Now it becomes International travel MAY return late next year. LMAO

Simon is just another person wanting to sound important by putting his 2 bob's worth in and getting into the press.

 

[oznflfan]

The writing is all over the wall, they arent just going to want the vulnerable vaccinated before they open up, they are going to want the vast majority and with probably 3 months of mincing around holding each others virtual hands from a safe distance like scared children before they open the border there is not even a hint of a vertebrae in that article nevermind a bloody spine

Troubling part is as well as us, they may want the country we are visiting to be proven majority or fully vaccinated as well. Good luck visiting Bali by 2030, how long does it take to vaccinate quarter of a billion people?

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

Troubling part is as well as us, they may want the country we are visiting to be proven majority or fully vaccinated as well. Good luck visiting Bali by 2030, how long does it take to vaccinate quarter of a billion people?

I fully expect there to be a time when people who live under a communist government will have more freedom to leave and re-enter their country than we will.

oh hang on, let me look outside

 

[james4321]

The writing is all over the wall, they arent just going to want the vulnerable vaccinated before they open up, they are going to want the vast majority and with probably 3 months of mincing around holding each others virtual hands from a safe distance like scared children before they open the border there is not even a hint of a vertebrae in that article nevermind a bloody spine

Hysterical laughter

 

[jakeseven7]

I fully expect there to be a time when people who live under a communist government will have more freedom to leave and re-enter their country than we will.

oh hang on, let me look outside

Well they won’t be allowed into Australia that’s for sure

 

[DC3]

The writing is all over the wall, they arent just going to want the vulnerable vaccinated before they open up, they are going to want the vast majority and with probably 3 months of mincing around ...

Hysterical laughter

... and mincing, to boot.