I doubt it. How many people actually go to WA, compared to travel between the other states. Getting Qld, NSW, and Vic back together fixes about 90% of the domestic tourism issues.The concern is that AUstralia might bend to WA because they want to open domestoc borders before international
If Qld do drop/soften their borders to NSW and Vic, then how much would be affected by holding a grudge???I doubt it. How many people actually go to WA, compared to travel between the other states. Getting Qld, NSW, and Vic back together fixes about 90% of the domestic tourism issues.
There has been nothing preventing 'vulnerable Australians' coming home other than inaction by the Federal Govt.i was surprised by this so googled and indeed there is a poll showing 60% of aussies want the international borders to stay closed.
However... I guess it depends on the question in the poll... if I asked 'do you support separating families from loved ones over Christmas' or 'do you agree vulnerable Australians should be prevented from coming home' the answer might have been different.
Australia benefits even if you don't spend $1. You benefit from having greater savings or less debt.Absolutely agree with you, no benefit in allowing us out, in fact in politician's warped minds, absolute benefit to keeping us caged in. By keeping us in, we will spend our big tourist dollars in our own state!. Instead of spending $8,000 going to Europe for three weeks, we will spend that here. In reality, and this really only holds for first year as we want to 'support' our state tourism breathren, and we will maybe spend $2,000 for a week and a half. After that (now) we will hold onto our pennies for the future.
Whilst they don't need us to leave, they NEED foreigners and tourists to come her, for:
IMMIGRATION - we don't grow we die.
STUDENTS - our universities are now based on being funded big time by foreign students, no foreign students long term universities will close.
TOURISM - you cannot replace international spend with locals lifting, refer above.
I'm being selfish, I know, in that I cannot holiday domestically and feel I have had a holiday, doesn't matter where I go. I'm prepared to wait to go on holidays, but I would like a timeframe so I can plan. Right now planning is like nothingness. May go quick trip somewhere maybe September next year if SE Asia opens up, if not price gouged by Qantas or whoever, otherwise July 2022 I'm off to France for a month.
Actually the hard border is better for the WA economy than an open border - strange but true.The Feds will absolutely NOT be blackmailed by WA. The hard border hurts them more than it will hurt the rest of the country.
Scomo missed a few very important but unsaid words (perhaps Scomo said them under his breath?). You picked up on that omission but the media seemingly did not.Love your eternal optimism but the PM was crystal clear after National Cabinet - all domestic borders (except probably WA) open by Xmas, expansion of NZ bubble after that then other safe countries after that. All those ‘after that’s’ mean probably more like Q1/2 next year for any international travel bubbles at the very earliest I’m afraid....
The only thing that will make international bubbles open faster is if the domestic borders open faster AND we prove we can manage it without unmanageable outbreaks and hysterical snap border closure decisions when the inevitable cases start popping up around the place....
Same up here in QLD - it’s a ghost town in any areas with high hotel concentrations because we are still cut off from our two biggest markets - NSW and VIC on top of international. But it was heartening to hear all agreed (except probably WA) to have borders open by Christmas - that will inject a huge boost to these areas.
And if NZ goes bilateral early next year that is a big deal - they are our biggest international tourist market as well.
Hoping to visit France July 2022 but not so sure this will be viable (although this is still well over 18 months away, and we can see how much has changed in just 8 months). Want to lock in something, so closer in, looking at Taiwan due to very low COVID numbers September next year. Hopefully this is authorised by Scomo early to mid next year. Maybe QANTAS with new Sydney - Taipei route won't rape and pillage us with airfares. First fares might be special(ish) to encourage flyers???Clearly your question is implying countries other than NZ.
It’s quite possible that if you mean Aussie don’t need to have permission to leave and have a free choice where to travel internationally, it will be a long time - well after a vaccine has been implemented.
If you mean a free choice between a small group of low risk countries/territories, then it might be a lot sooner.
So much spin about 'International Student numbers' & universities crying poor etc etc.Scientists believe the prototype could help reignite interstate travel by assisting in the screening of travellers.7news.com.au
UTS Researchers were able to develop the 15 minute COVID test. I am really hoping that this will be a game changer with the testing regime that we can roll out domestically first followed by our international arrivals from safe countries that we can allow to open faster.
Remember, we only have 5 months left for many businesses who rely on JobKeeper at the moment. In addition, international students are due to arrive Australia in February/March 2021, which is important for the HE sector to survive. I have already heard rumours of cuts to casuals and permanent staff at various institutions, and we desperately need these students to come back so that we can have a job.
What you say about WA could not be further from the truth.Of most concern is the states that haven’t really been ‘tested’ (luckily for them in a way) like NT, Tassie, WA and SA.
There is real worry and questions being asked for example about WA’s ability to respond to an outbreak and perhaps this is the real reason they are being left out...
The Federal Govt (and opposition generally) are firm followers of the 'Animal Farm' doctrine:If the ban leaving the country is for health grounds... how can they be letting in students?
How is it some citizens and PR holders - those that have been out of Australia for more than half of the previous 12 months - effectively have a revolving pass to leave and enter Australia? With no restrictions other than quarantine.
We need clear and transparent guidelines, and preferably, equality for everyone.
Let's see, a bit like who's been allowed into Australia in preference to 'vulnerable Australians':It will be interesting to see what the government decides on the priority order.
I know plenty of Australians that aren't too keen on getting the covid vaccination whereas they would for other things. Lots of people still refuse to get the flu vaccination. I know at first there will be shortages but I wonder how long that will last.
I've got my fingers crossed if a vaccine is available by the start of the year that I can get it mid next year.
The major sticking point globally is the incredibly low temperatures they must be shipped & stored at prior to use.December 2020 ? I wish!
December Approval of Oxford vaccine means Australian maybe get a handful of doses by Jan 2021 for front line workers. Then it takes 2 to3 months to mass manufacture 20 m doses so vaccinations start from about April 2021.
I think if we are relying on vaccine to start international travel, that will be middle of next year. Just hoping some travel opens prior to vaccine
Simple.Just look at the results for Taiwan.Now just 554 cases,7 deaths and no local transmission for 200 days.Only minor lockdown measures and no internal closures in a nation of 23.6 million.
Authorities thank public for helping to reach milestone as cases surge in many countrieswww.theguardian.com
Compare that to Western Australia- 768 cases and 9 deaths with a population of 2.5 million.
So if Taiwan was 2.5 million people they would have had approx 58 cases and 1 death.
Yes Australia have done well but that doesn't mean we couldn't have done better-excellent contact tracing,successful isolation policy,hand washing and mask wearing.
Hoping to visit France July 2022 but not so sure this will be viable (although this is still well over 18 months away, and we can see how much has changed in just 8 months). Want to lock in something, so closer in, looking at Taiwan due to very low COVID numbers September next year. Hopefully this is authorised by Scomo early to mid next year. Maybe QANTAS with new Sydney - Taipei route won't rape and pillage us with airfares. First fares might be special(ish) to encourage flyers???
There can be no possible argument that Taiwan has done a fabulous, probably world leading, job.
My son really enjoyed his trip there as well - it was made easier because his wife speaks Cantonese and some Mandarin.Fortunately Taiwan is a fantastic place to visit, went there for the first time last year between just before Christmas until NYE and thoroughly enjoyed it. Looking forward to going back one day.
If Qld do drop/soften their borders to NSW and Vic, then how much would be affected by holding a grudge???
Equally, the closed international border is significantly better for the Australian economy. In 2018/19 we ran a travel/tourism deficit of more than $20bn - we spent more to go overseas etc than overseas tourists spent here (from National Accounts). So even if people who did not go overseas ended up not spending anything on domestic tourism - Australia is $20bn better off. That many are spending more on domestic tourism makes Australia even further ahead.
The major sticking point globally is the incredibly low temperatures they must be shipped & stored at prior to use.
would never spend even a fraction of what I budgeted for an overseas trip, on a trip within Oz. On the other hand, I might buy a new car, and last time I looked, we don't make any.
Not only that but I’ve already had multiple discussions with people that feel they’ve done their dash with domestic travel and have spent enough.
we had a month in Hawaii booked but replaced it with a few short regional nsw trips. Those short trips all cost the same total amount as our one trip to Hawaii does but had nothing like the memories or joy.
Many of us have probably made the same mistake. Nothing at Byron Bay to warrant ever going back..... Having spent last week in Byron Bay catching up with friends from Queensland, I can pretty safely say I won’t be rushing to do a lot of travel at home. Probably a bad choice of location, but ordinary service, overpriced food and accommodation and overcrowding are enough to put me off.
And this just in today from Singapore - someone up these does not like us (you pick the direction )VIC now online with Singapore
While the rest of Australia keeps its borders closed to Victoria despite low COVID-19 numbers, Singapore has no such concerns.www.traveller.com.au
Possibly on the optimistic side of the ledger actually.From a more reputable source,
The nation is set to begin manufacturing the vaccine this month as the health minister reveals when international borders are set to open.7news.com.au
Crystal clear comments
All other Australians could receive the jab in the months after, to the end of 2021 - around the same time the government hopes to re-open international borders.
Our goal is to have the borders open, subject to vaccination and health advice, by the end of 2021.”
These guys for real ???
Given your extensive flying experience I am shocked by what you say!I'm in the process of loading up my caravan for a week away from home. All in small places in Victoria, where I'll see a couple of painted silos, and, if possible, have a couple of pub meals. I'd be surprised if we spend $500 for the week, including fuel.