Plastic bag ban...... meaningful initiative or just a feel good stunt?

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Mrs GPH just read part of an online post on another social media platform to me, where the question was asked, “Why are Coles banning single use plastic bags ? And then giving away plastic toys which will end up in land fill and the oceans” .
I did think that banning these supposedly bio degradable bags and yet continue to wrap all manner of food (unnecessarily) in plastic cling film and bags, all set on (single use) polystyrene trays, was somewhat pointless and probably counter productive.
But what is the alternative ?
Being somewhat older than a lot of the population today, I have memories of what shopping for food and meat was all about before the proliferation of supermarkets
Now don’t get me wrong, I’m sure supermarkets have made life so much better for many people .....
So as a young lad growing up in suburban Auckland in the 1960’s I still remember the regular visit into our street of the fruit and veg truck, and even a fisho and butcher truck, milk was delivered fresh daily as was bread and the news paper . My mum would take her basket into the street and buy with cash (no Credit card and fly buys back then) her needs for that day or the next few days .
If you were. A working family I.e. mum and dad both working, there was a corner store (Dairy in NZ parlance) a green grocer, butcher and baker usually within walking distance (or at least what we called walking distance in the 50’s and 60’s) for those last minute staples, 1/2 lb of sausages, a bag of spuds (unwashed and odd shaped) or an extra pint of milk for that last minute rice pudding. I would wander down to said purveyors of fine foods, armed with a string bag made by natives in the Solomon Islands where my parents lived as missionaries for the first few years of my life on the planet. The potatoes were bagged in brown paper, the sausages in butchers paper and all placed into my string bag.
Even fish and chips were wrapped in a layer of grease proof or butchers paper but with an outer layer of news print to finish the job.
We recycled before we even knew what it meant, plastic wasn’t missed because it wasn’t needed, milk came in glass bottles and you placed the empties in your milk box / letter box for collection each morning 9bedore sunrise). Bread for school lunches was wrapped in a waxed paper, delivered fresh Every morning . Life was simple and in the opinion of this writer, somewhat better than now.
I am like most people, guilty of the most horrendous of plastic use crimes, I have had to make a conscious effort to NOT use plastic, and it’s bloody hard.
I buy lemons and just carry them loose to the checkout, but beans are a bit more difficult,
When the supermarket made its first appearance in NZ , they used double layered paper bags to put grocery items in. I’m not sure when that all went south, but it seems to me to be (maybe) the lesser of the two evils.
I am finding that when I “think” I need something for the house, I am now visiting my local second hand /antique store, I have managed to (buy) recycle some great stuff in recent times, and all of reasonably high quality for a much lower price.
Forgive the ramblings of an old fart living in the past, but I suspect enough is enough, and we all need to do our bit, even if it seem futile.
 
Sitting in my plastic filled car, reading this thread on my plastic phone, I'm just about to put on my plastic sunnies and walk to Coles in my plastic (vinyl is a plastic) footwear to buy a heap of stuff in plastic, think bread, milk, butter etc etc. I better not forget the plastic garbage bags because I can't reuse the once free plastic SUB's. I'm even going to pay with plastic, be it card or cash. I'm trying to imagine what it would be like if we banned plastic.
 
It is not axiomatic that replacing Single use with multiple use bags will protect the environment though I understand a start has to be made.
In order to match the resource and environmental cost of making and transporting plastic bags, the new reusable bags have to be used more then 40 times. (ie 1 new reusable bag = 40 "single use" bags).
How many people are going to use those 15c (or free at Coles now) bags 40 times each?
 
In order to match the resource and environmental cost of making and transporting plastic bags, the new reusable bags have to be used more then 40 times. (ie 1 new reusable bag = 40 "single use" bags).
How many people are going to use those 15c (or free at Coles now) bags 40 times each?

Somehow I dont think those bags will last 40 times
The Green ones are equivalent to about 104 single uses.

The high density ones are made from fossil petroleum (Oil) . Isnt that bad?. Or is it now good?. Im confused.
 
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Somehow I dont think those bags will last 40 times
The Green ones are equivalent to about 104 single uses.

The high density ones are made from fossil petroleum (Oil) . Isnt that bad?. Or is it now good?. Im confused.

Oil, but isn't that what we make our roads out of and I don't plan on stopping driving anytime soon.
 
Also just noticed the 15c bags at Woolies are made in Germany.

Nice addition to the carbon footprint...
 
Sitting in my plastic filled car, reading this thread on my plastic phone, I'm just about to put on my plastic sunnies and walk to Coles in my plastic (vinyl is a plastic) footwear to buy a heap of stuff in plastic, think bread, milk, butter etc etc. I better not forget the plastic garbage bags because I can't reuse the once free plastic SUB's. I'm even going to pay with plastic, be it card or cash. I'm trying to imagine what it would be like if we banned plastic.
We don’t need to ban plastic per se. The items you speak of are used over and over again. Food packaging plastic is heavy handed and could be reduced and even clothing packaging where every single item comes in its own plastic bag is completely unnecesary.
 
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We don’t need to ban plastic per se. The items you speak of are used over and over again. Food packaging plastic is heavy handed and could be reduced and even clothing packaging where every single item comes in its own plastic bag is completely unnecesary.
True about the banning but just trying to demonstrate how dependent we have become on plastic, how much goes to landfill and what a tiny percentage sub's represent. Short of being damaged, I can't think of a time when we haven't used a SUB at least twice, the second time as a garbage bag. I've even used them 4 times. Yes 4! Bring home shopping, wrap footwear for travel (return) then for garbage. It's using something responsibly. So are we banning (have) SUB to stop them going to landfill, because of irresponsible use or disposal or another reason? Compared to almost anything else, the amount of plastic in a SUB is negligible.
 
You aren't trying Buzzard.I am just about to use my SUB for the garbage after it has been used to bring the groceries home,3 times taking supplies when working away and now 19 times taking my lunch to work.
 
And we haven't got on to discussing container deposit legislation yet.
It is certainly frustrating to see more and more fiddly little bits of vegetables and all sorts of items being packaged in more and more cling wrap and plastic containers. I like to buy my fruit and veg loose and not prewrapped because if you ever sniff the prewrapped stuff, it often has a strange sweaty smell and goes "off" very quickly. The crazy thing is that Typhoid Mary could have contaminated the plasticised vegetables anyway. It really comes down still to good old fashioned food hygiene that grandma taught - wash everything thoroughly no matter how clean it looks because you never know whose night cart has been used to fertilise the market garden.
 
And we haven't got on to discussing container deposit legislation yet.
It is certainly frustrating to see more and more fiddly little bits of vegetables and all sorts of items being packaged in more and more cling wrap and plastic containers. I like to buy my fruit and veg loose and not prewrapped because if you ever sniff the prewrapped stuff, it often has a strange sweaty smell and goes "off" very quickly. The crazy thing is that Typhoid Mary could have contaminated the plasticised vegetables anyway. It really comes down still to good old fashioned food hygiene that grandma taught - wash everything thoroughly no matter how clean it looks because you never know whose night cart has been used to fertilise the market garden.
I was really surprised to find in our Adelaide Central Market the other week pre packaged mushrooms. There is no place for such rubbish in our supposedly freshest and natural Adelaide City market. And this stall did not sell loose ones.

SA has had container deposit legislation for a very long time.
 
What I don't understand about this whole debate is how this has suddenly become such a big issue in the last few years so quickly? I reuse my plastic bags as bin liners and don't litter. It's like the more the greenies try to instil guilt in me, the more I want plastic. I've resolved to earn more money so I have the freedom to choose whether I want to be environmentally friendly or not.
 
So... The WOW plastic hot chicken bags got recalled (some labeling issue) and stores were told to toss them.
There were several boxes taken down to the back dock in my store, around 100kg worth of plastic. Yesterday I got told to toss them.
I asked the normal recycling people if they would take them. They are coloured, so they couldn't.
Asked the local charity that comes and collects anything we can't sell. The bags are too small for them to be of any use for them.
So I was keeping them for the RedCycle people.
Store manager saw them still on the dock today and said again to toss them. I said I was keeping them for recycling. Got told, nope, toss them.

So that's 100kg of plastic off to land fill (from one store), if the other 930 odd stores are also dumping that plastic... So much for the idea that they were being "green" and "environmentally friendly".
 
So... The WOW plastic hot chicken bags got recalled (some labeling issue) and stores were told to toss them.
There were several boxes taken down to the back dock in my store, around 100kg worth of plastic. Yesterday I got told to toss them.
I asked the normal recycling people if they would take them. They are coloured, so they couldn't.
Asked the local charity that comes and collects anything we can't sell. The bags are too small for them to be of any use for them.
So I was keeping them for the RedCycle people.
Store manager saw them still on the dock today and said again to toss them. I said I was keeping them for recycling. Got told, nope, toss them.

So that's 100kg of plastic off to land fill (from one store), if the other 930 odd stores are also dumping that plastic... So much for the idea that they were being "green" and "environmentally friendly".


Only when it suits and only when the media is involved. Virtue signalling in full force.
 
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