Plastic bag ban...... meaningful initiative or just a feel good stunt?

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Mrs GPH just read part of an online post on another social media platform to me, where the question was asked, “Why are Coles banning single use plastic bags ? And then giving away plastic toys which will end up in land fill and the oceans” .
I did think that banning these supposedly bio degradable bags and yet continue to wrap all manner of food (unnecessarily) in plastic cling film and bags, all set on (single use) polystyrene trays, was somewhat pointless and probably counter productive.
But what is the alternative ?
Being somewhat older than a lot of the population today, I have memories of what shopping for food and meat was all about before the proliferation of supermarkets
Now don’t get me wrong, I’m sure supermarkets have made life so much better for many people .....
So as a young lad growing up in suburban Auckland in the 1960’s I still remember the regular visit into our street of the fruit and veg truck, and even a fisho and butcher truck, milk was delivered fresh daily as was bread and the news paper . My mum would take her basket into the street and buy with cash (no Credit card and fly buys back then) her needs for that day or the next few days .
If you were. A working family I.e. mum and dad both working, there was a corner store (Dairy in NZ parlance) a green grocer, butcher and baker usually within walking distance (or at least what we called walking distance in the 50’s and 60’s) for those last minute staples, 1/2 lb of sausages, a bag of spuds (unwashed and odd shaped) or an extra pint of milk for that last minute rice pudding. I would wander down to said purveyors of fine foods, armed with a string bag made by natives in the Solomon Islands where my parents lived as missionaries for the first few years of my life on the planet. The potatoes were bagged in brown paper, the sausages in butchers paper and all placed into my string bag.
Even fish and chips were wrapped in a layer of grease proof or butchers paper but with an outer layer of news print to finish the job.
We recycled before we even knew what it meant, plastic wasn’t missed because it wasn’t needed, milk came in glass bottles and you placed the empties in your milk box / letter box for collection each morning 9bedore sunrise). Bread for school lunches was wrapped in a waxed paper, delivered fresh Every morning . Life was simple and in the opinion of this writer, somewhat better than now.
I am like most people, guilty of the most horrendous of plastic use crimes, I have had to make a conscious effort to NOT use plastic, and it’s bloody hard.
I buy lemons and just carry them loose to the checkout, but beans are a bit more difficult,
When the supermarket made its first appearance in NZ , they used double layered paper bags to put grocery items in. I’m not sure when that all went south, but it seems to me to be (maybe) the lesser of the two evils.
I am finding that when I “think” I need something for the house, I am now visiting my local second hand /antique store, I have managed to (buy) recycle some great stuff in recent times, and all of reasonably high quality for a much lower price.
Forgive the ramblings of an old fart living in the past, but I suspect enough is enough, and we all need to do our bit, even if it seem futile.
 
GPH... it’s just a start :) Other plastics use will probably come under scrutiny in due course.

They can start with those Australia Post plastic Parcel post bags. I just received a small package and chucked the plastic bag in the bin.

How many of these are floating around on any given day ?
 
They can start with those Australia Post plastic Parcel post bags. I just received a small package and chucked the plastic bag in the bin.

How many of these are floating around on any given day ?

Dont get me started on all those high density plastic moulded containers when you buy a lot of electronic and other goods. They are very difficult to open - Ive been cut by the sharp edges once trying to open them. Those are definitely not recyclable and are a lot more plastic by weight.

Plastic plastic everywhere and most are not reusable.
 
Our disposable plastic bags are recycled as trash bags and end in up back in the hole from whence they came.
Qld is using old coal mines for landfill …. isn't that cute ?
ashes to ashes….
In another few mil years the current ruling species (v v large coughies??) will likely dig it all up again.. recycling works….
 
I live in California and there is a single use bag ban for most stores. They will sell you a thicker plastic bag for .10 cents a bag. I see many people forgetting their bags and paying the dime for each needed bag. The flip side are those that are tired of buying/forgetting the bags and pushing their cart to the parking lot and bagging their groceries at the trunk of the car. The only thing I see is that this is a bag tax for California, the plastic bags are still out there blowing in the wind.
 
The entire thing is just stupid. Banning so called "single use" plastic bags won't do a damn thing (I'd like to know what makes them "single use" when they are reusable). These bans, like the also stupid bottle tax, is nothing more then a punishment on people who reused and/or recycled them.

The resource cost alone makes the new "green" bags worse then the old bags.
 
Why not a choice of paper or plastic, like the US?

All that happens now is I buy my plastic Woollworths bags, put my land fill rubbish in them and then a bag with the Wollies name and logo is going into land fill.

The new bags are larger so I need less, but if I didn't buy these I'd have to still have a plastic bag in the kitchen at home for the rubbish anyway.

So made zero difference to me.
 
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I can back you up GPH.The previous generation was much more environmentally friendly than now.But I remember the bread and milk deliveries coming via horse and cart.Yes paper was used almost exclusively for getting most of your supplies.Just like reusing the old grey bags for garbage any potentially smelly items for the garbage were wrapped in the paper from the grocery shop.No need for toilet paper at our place-paper wrapping from apples or pears and when that ran out newsprint.
Then the convenience.My mother would ring the grocer with her weekly order by 10am every Wednesday morning and it was delivered by 2pm-no delivery fee either.
 
I see that Coles have now decided to give away the new heavier bags indefinitely.

All that means is that Coles is waiting for their customers to get used to the idea and change their habits. Don’t need all to do it, just a majority then they can revert to the 15c

How long will it take?. A year?

The 15c bags are good for the longer items like celery but I prefer the zip up cooler bags even if it costs more because it can be zipped up.
 
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As a liquor retailer over here in WA, I have seen a big change. We would be getting customers coming in and asking for a double bag for just one bottle of wine. In the first month I would say that plastic bag use coming from our store has halved, and can see this trend continuing. If there is hundreds of retailers like me around then it is obviously helping in some way.
 
I was blown away by the beauty and cleanliness in Rwanda. Until recently, plastic bags used to be known as “The National Bird of Rwanda”.

.......Luggage is searched at the border and any and all forms of plastic bags are confiscated. Violators face heavy fines or even jail time........

.....Not just stopping at plastic bags, the country is hinting at the possibility to become the world’s first plastic free nation.

Rwanda Plastic Bag Ban | PlasticOceans.org

If they can do it, anybody can.


Edit: Before heading to Rwanda I was sent a stern warning about plastic bags and it wasn’t really that hard to use alternative packing. I was given the figure of up to USD $ 30,000 fine
 
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Is seems that Coles' and Wollies' aversion to reduced sales will mean they will only stop giving away free bags when legislation forces them to.

It is not peoples' complaints about not having free bags, it's the significant decreased revenue they saw from June/July that is causing this.
 
Is seems that Coles' and Wollies' aversion to reduced sales will mean they will only stop giving away free bags when legislation forces them to.

It is not peoples' complaints about not having free bags, it's the significant decreased revenue they saw from June/July that is causing this.

If you want people to buy your products, your success is determined to some extent by the ease in which the product leaves your store and is transported to your customers home.
Why else is Amazon so successful?.
 
It won't be easy to ban the use of the plastic bag, it is a good advocacy to protect the environment but they can't remove it immediately. Yes, there is a great alternative to plastic, but I must say that plastic is way durable than paper bags.
 
What does the plastic bag really cost Coles and Woolworths.
.5 cent.

If the real cost of the bag was .5- 2 cent was past on at say 1 - 5 cents I don't think there would be too many complaints, but of course Coles and Woolies are just saying customers don't want to pay with the real effect is that customers are more discretionary with their spending.
 
The thing with discretionary spending is that it can be easily withheld. And so the majors saw that effect last couple of months when customers were buying according to the volume of the bags
 
It won't be easy to ban the use of the plastic bag, it is a good advocacy to protect the environment but they can't remove it immediately. Yes, there is a great alternative to plastic, but I must say that plastic is way durable than paper bags.
It is not axiomatic that replacing Single use with multiple use bags will protect the environment though I understand a start has to be made.
However as I indicated earlier the majors are increasing packaging their goods in plastic which are definitely single use - such as a bag of 1kg potatoes. At least the “single use” bags were often multi use for a lot of customers.

I fear that the reduction in plastic use will be limited to single use bags.
 
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