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serfty said:
This link to a PPRuNe thread was very kindly provided by thaDocta over on FT: QF B767 and United B747 Taxi Collision at Melbourne .

Good insight with Photo Images.

Thanks for the link, serfty. Good photos.

I wonder how both QF and UA deal with the staff member deemed responsible? In my youth I worked for NSW railways and they had a "please explain" system in place that included a fine if you were the reason that a service ran late. The letter they sent out was colloquially known as a "bung". :D

I wonder who gets the "bung" in this instance?
 

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So I wonder who is going to pay for the repairs? Whilst there is obviously an official investigation under way, it seem clear that one of the pilots will be found to be at fault. I wonder if it affects his no-claim bonus?

Can one airline claim compensation from the at-fault operator for other costs such as delays and disrupted schedules resulting from an aircraft out of action while being repaired?

Or does the "victim" airline join the list of unsecured creditors if the at-fault airline happens to be suffering financial difficulties at the moment?
 

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Or does the "victim" airline join the list of unsecured creditors if the at-fault airline happens to be suffering financial difficulties at the moment?
On a completely unrelated issue (not really, but I don't want to be accused of pre-empting the investigation), I understand UA is no longer in Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. I presume that means they have paid off their debts and would be ready for a new batch of creditors to come knocking at their door.
 
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Reading some of the threads on the Airlines.net site UA bashing is a popular pastime.
 

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Alan in CBR said:
NM said:
Or does the "victim" airline join the list of unsecured creditors if the at-fault airline happens to be suffering financial difficulties at the moment?
On a completely unrelated issue (not really, but I don't want to be accused of pre-empting the investigation), I understand UA is no longer in Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.
I know that, and that is why I was very careful in the way I worded my comment. Just becuase they have emerged from Chapter 11 protection does not mean they no longer have any financial difficulties.
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I presume that means they have paid off their debts and would be ready for a new batch of creditors to come knocking at their door.
You presume wrong. It just means they have convinced those creditors and the bankrupcy court judges that they will pay off more of their debts by trading than by liquidating, and that they have a suitable structure in place to achieve the plan they submitted to the courts. They are still hocked to the hilt and owe lots of people lots of money.

If companies had to relay all their debts before emerging from Chapter 11 protection, none would ever do so. In fact, it is often the case that they owe more when they emerge than when they entered Chapeter 11!
 

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You presume wrong. It just means they have convinced those creditors and the bankrupcy court judges that they will pay off more of their debts by trading than by liquidating, and that they have a suitable structure in place to achieve the plan they submitted to the courts. They are still hocked to the hilt and owe lots of people lots of money.

If companies had to relay all their debts before emerging from Chapter 11 protection, none would ever do so. In fact, it is often the case that they owe more when they emerge than when they entered Chapeter 11!
Thanks for setting me straight. As you can tell, I've never really looked into what is required to emerge from bankruptcy protection. I guess I assumed it meant that you could service your debts (obviously not pay them out completely!), but clearly that's not correct.
 
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