Lunch with Lesley

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Thinking about this some more - and yes, I'm still a grump and you might say ungrateful. But I'm being consistent about these events.

Three questions for Red Roo:

1) If Lesley Grant really wanted to convey information and address concerns etc, why not just ask for questions to be submitted to you, and you take the (say) 20 or 40 'best' or 'most relevant' to Lesley for answering, and posted somewhere here. The conveyance of both question and the reply would be much more efficient and clear.

2) Schmoozing attendees ('AFF discussion leaders' ?) at a fancy lunch wouldn't be trying to curry favour with them, would it?

3) Will you want to be seeing 'new blood'? Or will it be the 'usual suspects'?


Sorry, that was 4 questions. :oops: I will be in Sydney that week, but don't think I will bother to apply. I'm sure Lesley would much rather meet 'the nice people' than those who might - even politely - ask her why they keep changing their web pages and having errors, dead links, typos and day-by-day changes to wording and explanations. And who takes responsibility for those cough-ups (I still remember when the 'book business class' link didn't work :)). Or what her definition of 'simpler' is.

I do apologise if this offends (but I think you have thick skin) - but if Qantas truly wanted to address concerns, answer questions, etc it doesn't take selective attendees at a Rockpool lunch to do it.


If you send RR a private message with your FF number we will accept this post as an entry to the competition.
 
If you send RR a private message with your FF number we will accept this post as an entry to the competition.

Well played sir! Well played! :mrgreen:

Edit: But thank-you, no. But a transcript or audio file would be appreciated by very many I think.
 
Damn. I'll be in Japan, hopefully with an upgrade from QF burning the last of my points.

Someone should ask -

1) Why make the Status Credits issue so bloody complex when you could have just as easily increased the threshold for the tiers?

2) You've reduced the number of QF routes so much of recent times that it is near impossible to avoid codeshares and yet you've reduced their SC earn making your program so much less competitive - are you so confident that punters will cop that?

3) Not many of us need or want 'flexible' fares, we're flying somewhere on a day and time - why penalise us be decreasing the SC and points earn?
 
I won't be entering the competition, but as a matter of general interest, I would have liked to have asked Ms Grant:

1) Has there been research done that quantifies how much of a premium various customer segments are prepared to pay for QFF reward perks? In particular, have the recent changes been made based on a validated model that proves (to the extent that such a thing can be proven in advance) that customer purchasing behaviour will not adversely change, or even change for the better? Ie, that enough people will pay the - now even higher - price needed to attain various statuses, to offset those that will stop the Qantas status chase and leave the programme or settle for a lower tier? OR were the changes made with the end-goal predetermined and mandated by senior management - eg, "Go forth and make changes to reduce costs/liabilities by X% in your division... and hope that customers don't walk away as a result?"

2) What were the major alternatives to the latest set of changes that were considered and why were they rejected? For instance, was simply lifting the minimum number of SCs flown on Qantas for each tier an option, analogous to the P1 requirement? Eg Platinum - 1400 SCs to attain, of which 1000 SCs need to be through Qantas marketed flights. This would have the effect of driving members onto QF metal/code-shares and/or into higher classes (which appears to be one of the aims of the changes) in an arguably simpler, more elegant way than the convoluted partner tables now being implemented. Of course every option has advantages and disadvantages, but what were the criteria by which these were assessed?

3) To what extent do you consider Qantas Loyalty to be a B2C business vs a B2B business? How do you balance consumer satisfaction and requirements against programme partner satisfaction and requirements in the event there is a conflict? (Put more cynically: to what extent are the 9 million FF members actually the product you sell to your programme partners who, I assume, provide most of the programme's revenue?)

4) In broad but concrete strokes, what is your vision for Qantas Loyalty three, five, ten years from today? By "concrete" I mean, no airy fairy stuff like "Customers will feel emotionally attached to Qantas and want to hold hands with us" but something along the lines of, for instance, "We're likely to have separate loyalty programmes aimed at individuals, SMEs and large corporates" (a path that Acquire could be a stepping stone for). Or "The concept of broad programme tiers may be replaced by a modular, pick-the-perks-of-your-choice and construct-your-own tailored programme approach". Or "In the future airline loyalty will have to go both ways".
 
Unfortunately I am unable to enter due to work commitments. I would have liked to have entered as I'm sure I could have thought of 3 pertinent questions!

I look forward to hearing from the successful attendees who can hopefully report back on the discussion.
 
Good work QF & Redroo.

Was wondering when the next comp was going to be & what a good debate, i mean way to have one!

I wont be entering this comp as I have been to 2 out of the last 3 comps, hopefuly somebody who hasnt been before gets to go!

Good luck to you all.
 
Lovely to see QF, Lesley and Red Roo for putting this on now.

Unfortunately I can't attend due to pre-existing appointments :( so not worth me asking questions. Oh to be a fly on the wall. Plus I went to the last one in Melbourne
 
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I won't be entering the competition, but as a matter of general interest, I would have liked to have asked Ms Grant:

1) Has there been research done that quantifies how much of a premium various customer segments are prepared to pay for QFF reward perks? In particular, have the recent changes been made based on a validated model that proves (to the extent that such a thing can be proven in advance) that customer purchasing behaviour will not adversely change, or even change for the better? Ie, that enough people will pay the - now even higher - price needed to attain various statuses, to offset those that will stop the Qantas status chase and leave the programme or settle for a lower tier? OR were the changes made with the end-goal predetermined and mandated by senior management - eg, "Go forth and make changes to reduce costs/liabilities by X% in your division... and hope that customers don't walk away as a result?"

2) What were the major alternatives to the latest set of changes that were considered and why were they rejected? For instance, was simply lifting the minimum number of SCs flown on Qantas for each tier an option, analogous to the P1 requirement? Eg Platinum - 1400 SCs to attain, of which 1000 SCs need to be through Qantas marketed flights. This would have the effect of driving members onto QF metal/code-shares and/or into higher classes (which appears to be one of the aims of the changes) in an arguably simpler, more elegant way than the convoluted partner tables now being implemented. Of course every option has advantages and disadvantages, but what were the criteria by which these were assessed?

3) To what extent do you consider Qantas Loyalty to be a B2C business vs a B2B business? How do you balance consumer satisfaction and requirements against programme partner satisfaction and requirements in the event there is a conflict? (Put more cynically: to what extent are the 9 million FF members actually the product you sell to your programme partners who, I assume, provide most of the programme's revenue?)

4) In broad but concrete strokes, what is your vision for Qantas Loyalty three, five, ten years from today? By "concrete" I mean, no airy fairy stuff like "Customers will feel emotionally attached to Qantas and want to hold hands with us" but something along the lines of, for instance, "We're likely to have separate loyalty programmes aimed at individuals, SMEs and large corporates" (a path that Acquire could be a stepping stone for). Or "The concept of broad programme tiers may be replaced by a modular, pick-the-perks-of-your-choice and construct-your-own tailored programme approach". Or "In the future airline loyalty will have to go both ways".

Questions which I would like to have formulated, but can't put my addled mind to. 2) Is a particularly pertinent one I think. Could any organization, short of Microsoft publishing their source code on line, come up with a more complex scheme?

Sorry, I must butt out of this thread. Its my absolute frustration with QF's shooting itself in the foot, when I want so bad to love it and fly it, that's doing the talking.

Good luck with the lunch.
 
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Lovely to see QF, Lesley and Red Roo for putting this on now.

Unfortunately I can't attend due to pre-existing appointments :( so not worth me asking questions. Oh to be a fly on the wall. Plus I went to the last one in Melbourne

I have entered and can attend this time.
 
I'll be in Istanbul at the time as well, so can't have a crack, but a question about Qantas' continual need to try and re-invent the English language or create new meanings for simple, long standing words might be worthwhile... Its bad enough when people feel annoyed about changes, but this transparent BS of using weasel words patently makes some people feel like they are being lied to or treated as idiots (with doubly negative results)... So just STOP IT, you're not doing yourselves any favours...

I once knew someone in sales and they used to say take the worst aspect of what your selling and try to make it a positive (ie an ugly car has beautiful, distinctive lines - an under powered 4-cyl jalopy has amazing fuel efficiency etc) but to call something amazingly complex "simple" and to take away benefits and call it an 'enhancement' is just stupid and should stop!
 
Not surprisingly, there is plenty of interest in recent announcements and changes at Qantas

Honestly, are you surprised?


Lesley Grant, Qantas Loyalty CEO along with members of her team, would like the opportunity to personally address some of your feedback, concerns and queries.

For a chance to attend a lunch at Rockpool Bar & Grill in Sydney, send me a private message by 5pm AEST 2 April 2014 with the following:

- 3 questions that you’d most like to ask Lesley and her team

Come on, screening the questions? Doesn't that take all the fun out?
 
Thanks Red Roo and Lesley for the opportunity for AFFers to discuss these changes with the Qantas Loyalty Team. I'll be in the USA and unable to attend as much as I'd love to. Good luck to all who enter.
 
While I can't attend, the only questions I can think of relate to the lower earn on partners.

I understand the aim behind these changes is to get people to travel on QF codes, however while many QFFs may want to do so, they can't because there is no QF code on that route. Why should we be "rewarded" with a lower rate because QF doesn't offer flights on a route and we are forced to partner airlines?
Why can't there be a 2 tier partner table. Lower rates for using partners where QF codes exist, same rate as QF/JQ on partner routes where QF codes don't exist?
Why did Qantas chose this confusing and complex system when much more simple options exist?
 
Well played sir! Well played! :mrgreen:

I believe Red Roo is a Dame rather than a Sir.

Thanks Red Roo for the offer, unfortunately I'll be in Hobart that day. I really don't know what questions I would ask, I am in the group of people who thought this was coming and it was just a loophole that existed. Having said that, I would like to ask other questions about P1... and lunch at Rockpool :)
 
I believe Red Roo is a Dame rather than a Sir.

Did RR snag a knighthood/damehood from the PM?

I'd like to attend one of these events, however;
I can't ever seem to think of any reasonable questions and I suspect my VGML would arrive before the rest of the guests, meaning I'd finish dining before them :p
 
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