JQ tailstrike on takeoff

[jb747]

While they happen and can happen anywhere, Melbourne seems to be a theme. With my old and untrained eyes, one of the run ways looks a bit undulating.

Many runways undulate. Perhaps more do than don't. Melbourne is nothing outstanding, one way or the other.

 

[jb747]

Sounds like the EK tailstrike was career ending for the two pilots?. These pilots resigned - maybe they were on the verge of being sacked and thought better to jump than be pushed. I suppose the threat of being sacked is a motivation to do everything by the book. Would this be a sackable offence on other airlines?

Ah, systemic problem solved.

 

[Quickstatus]

Ah, systemic problem solved.

Should human error be dealt in such a way though?. From a couch surfer POV, Im not sure if what happened could be construed as recklessness or gross misconduct or maybe the airline sees it that way - a lot of defences built into aircraft/ airline systems that if human error still breaches those defences then by definition it must have been recklessness.

 

[jb747]

Should human error be dealt in such a way though?. From a couch surfer POV, Im not sure if what happened could be construed as recklessness or gross misconduct or maybe the airline sees it that way - a lot of defences built into aircraft/ airline systems that if human error still breaches those defences then by definition it must have been recklessness.

Just write a rule into the books saying that no accidents or incidents will be tolerated. Then, anything that happens will be a breach of the rules. All problems solved in one go.

Emirates did not have a robust system in place for handling take off calculations, so whilst the crew made a mistake, and then didn't pick it up, the system had holes in place for them to fall through. Having made the error, the crew actually did a pretty good job of recovering, but that is a different story. The Singair story from the picture is similar, though their recovery wasn't as tidy.

This JQ incident would appear to be nothing other than a flying error. They happen. Having a punitive system in place will not reduce their frequency, but it will cause them to become hidden.

Any airline that responds to any error by firing the pilots, is, pretty much by definition, a place with an unsafe culture.

 

[Daver6]

jb, would you think then that's it likely to come down to the FO's actions/skill (who may have been a cadet as suggested on pprune) rather than JQ's recent worries with incorrect dispatching of aircraft (incorrect no. of pax etc).

I believe this to be the case. A cadet was in control and pulled back a little too hard.