Join AFF to have a Rant? It happens!

[burmans]

I think all should be treated equally on one platform, regardless of how many posts the member has.

As MT said, this is where personal experience as frequent flyer comes into play and each reader can decide for themselves if the OP has valid claims.

A bit of a contradiction here, for many of us one of the key way we decide on the validity of an OPs claims is not really by an individual post but by an assessment of the relevance of their personal experience. That assessment would be heavily influenced for most people by a build up of credibility (or otherwise) based on our previous experience with that individual.

It's all very well to pose a theoretical "all should be treated equally" but this flies in the face of all we know based on empirical evidence of how human beings actually behave.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

A bit of a contradiction here, for many of us one of the key way we decide on the validity of an OPs claims is not really by an individual post but by an assessment of the relevance of their personal experience. That assessment would be heavily influenced for most people by a build up of credibility (or otherwise) based on our previous experience with that individual.

Only if you lack sufficient experience of the subject matter the poster is talking about. If you had encountered the same issues as the OP then it wouldn't matter if this was the first time you'd heard from the person or not, you'd immediately be able to identify with their issues (or not as the case may be).

If someone calls in to a radio station complaining public transport is unreliable, packed, subject to annoying delays, you don't need to 'know' that individual or have them build credibility. You can immediately identify and either agree, or disagree.

 

[Vic]

Spelling corrected.

Thx

Not that I'm anti either bad grammar or ranting.

 

[harvyk]

Only if you lack sufficient experience of the subject matter the poster is talking about. If you had encountered the same issues as the OP then it wouldn't matter if this was the first time you'd heard from the person or not, you'd immediately be able to identify with their issues (or not as the case may be).

If someone calls in to a radio station complaining public transport is unreliable, packed, subject to annoying delays, you don't need to 'know' that individual or have them build credibility. You can immediately identify and either agree, or disagree.

The difference is that the bar is set at a very different level for suburban public transport as appose to flying. For public transport the only expectation I have is that it turns up when it says it will, it doesn't cost too much, and it'll get me to where I need to be in a reasonable amount of time. I'm not expecting champagne as I board the bus, nor am I expecting to be fed or have AVOD. It's also an experience which many people have daily.

Flying on the other hand has built up a reputation for being a luxury experience. It's an experience which is very rare for many people. Given that most people see only the luxury of travel in ad's and movies, the cold hard reality of flying Y on an LCC can be quite a shock. So that rant stating I never got (placeholder), you're not quite sure if they are complaining that they never got (placeholder) because they fly frequently and (placeholder) is something which they normally experience (even if it's unpublished), or if they are complaining that they didn't get (placeholder) because they had seen it happen in a movie once and didn't realise it's not something offered to people in less than F, or only on certain airlines.

 

[drron]

As I have said and copied to this thread I have had some of the same problems as the OP so I don't regard his post as a rant.
I have reached out to the OP and he is not an infrequent flyer.

So what do you want for AFF.The OP wanted to vent as many of us do when problems arise.Searching he found AFF and not one of the other possible places to vent.To me a pretty good recommendation for what AFF has become.

 

[OATEK]

There was a time when QF had a presence here, and the rant might have led to them reaching out, but these days its really just a chance to get it off your chest. Personally I have no issue with an emotive rant as long as it seems to have a reasonable basis, and so far most of the ones I have read seem to fit this loose criteria. Obviously there is not much we can do to help with these sorts of events, except to counsel the poster to keep their communications business-like if seeking redress from the airline concerned.

 

[Bolthead]

I haven't read through the thread fully however I have read the rant that triggered this thread. Besides the obvious things that new members can't access at the beginning of their membership they still IMO have the right to place or say anything they like as long as it is ethical and pertinent to the forum. I like a good rant and I didn't think his rant was over the top. Also the whole idea of most forums and especially this one is to inform, encourage and welcome newcomers. I am sure the administrators of this forum would love more members.

When I started here I rarely made a comment however I enjoyed the forum and I guess I was and still am a bit of a lurker. I don't contribute a lot however if I have a rant then I hope that I would not be shot down in flames. Give the guy a good old Aussie chance and 'Give him a go'.

 

[Cossie]

I really don't have a problem with this, nobody is making anyone read it, I started to read the original post, then thought nah, there are other things more important to do. So after the thread was split, I haven't read anything on either thread until now. I still haven't completely read the replies to the OP's original post as I don't really want to.

IMO it's far better to post rants than to go postal, I know that is extreme and I don't really mean it and I know it's not very likely in this case, but hey, everyone needs an outlet to let off steam.

Anyway ymmv and as I said' nobody is forcing you to read this, nor any other posts!'

 

[eric2011]

The following comments are a part of a published rant....are they an accurate description of the service or are they an exaggeration and does the poster have any sort of credence or creditability, feel free, once again to correct me if my terminology is not the same as yours



It is so obvious that they have cut costs in every conceivable way. Il-fitting pajamas that make everyone look like inmates of an insane asylum.

My daughter had a vegetarian option which can only be described as an inedible health hazard.

Her "starter" consisted of some chopped up old carrots and celery, wilted lettuce and a bendy cucumber wrapped in plastic.

The veggies were days old,

My chicken entree looked like the worst microwave meal you could buy in a supermarket. Inedible.

My wife's Kingklip fish would bounce at least two meters high if you dropped it on the floor, Both our courses were ice cold.

The veggies were cooked days in advance and inedible. The starter shepherd's pie was like cat food, gristly, brown slosh salty.

You sit having to look at the wilting and congealing food in front of you.


Good, have a rant, vent your fury etc, but show some evidence or at least prove what it is you are saying. (and don't admit that you exaggerate. )

I am sure others will attack me for my thoughts like they did in the other thread, but these are my thoughts as I am entitled to them. As is the OP. I am having nothing more to do with this and the other thread.

 

[straitman]

I am having nothing more to do with this and the other thread.

Personally I see little point in responding if you are not going to read the response.

 

[eric2011]

Personally I see little point in responding if you are not going to read the response.

Sorry, I meant I will read the thread but have no further contribution

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Flying on the other hand has built up a reputation for being a luxury experience. It's an experience which is very rare for many people. Given that most people see only the luxury of travel in ad's and movies, the cold hard reality of flying Y on an LCC can be quite a shock. So that rant stating I never got (placeholder), you're not quite sure if they are complaining that they never got (placeholder) because they fly frequently and (placeholder) is something which they normally experience (even if it's unpublished), or if they are complaining that they didn't get (placeholder) because they had seen it happen in a movie once and didn't realise it's not something offered to people in less than F, or only on certain airlines.

This is where your personal experience comes in to play. And for the OP in this case, enough of us have experienced one or more of the things they describe. So credibility isn’t an issue.

I don’t have a problem with the OP using a bit of artistic license to describe their experience. Most of us do in our everyday communication. The internet is no different.

 

[Deleted member]

I had a conversation with the CSM on a recent CGK - SYD flight.
Bottom line, he is a lurker on AFF. He mentioned a recent report about a flight (complaint) it made it into the press, he said that he knows the CSM involved.
Point 1: the CSM was devastated about the press report. Point 2: the CSM said that the level of fabrication in the news report was appalling.
Now I am not taking sides here, BUT , I am of the opinion that in order to sell newspapers a bit of “enhancing” the story occures.

 

[drron]

I had a conversation with the CSM on a recent CGK - SYD flight.
Bottom line, he is a lurker on AFF. He mentioned a recent report about a flight (complaint) it made it into the press, he said that he knows the CSM involved.
Poin5 one the CSM was devastated about the press report. Point 2 , the CSM said that the level of fabrication in the news report was appalling.
Now I am not taking sides here, BUT , I am of the opinion that in order to sell newspapers a bit of “enhancing” the story occures.

And in my experience has been happening over the last 50 years.

 

[OATEK]

The following comments are a part of a published rant....are they an accurate description of the service or are they an exaggeration and does the poster have any sort of credence or creditability, feel free, once again to correct me if my terminology is not the same as yours

It is so obvious that they have cut costs in every conceivable way. Il-fitting pajamas that make everyone look like inmates of an insane asylum.

While you may feel the OP was too strong on the hyperbole, what it does is provide "evidence" of how much the experience affected that family.

And I also wanted to mention that my daughter was once a member of a a dance group that won the Jazz ballet section at the festival of dance in Canberra. They danced to Hotel California wearing grey ill-fitting pyjamas, although without the FlyingRoo emblem.

 

[ayebee]

Since this is a rant thread ...
I (still) fly Qantas along with other airlines, and IMHO the food is and has been the weakest link for a long time.
The Perry menus are invariably impressive and tempting, but the food that appears disappointing and bearing little resemblance to the description. I have been on flights where the crew are visibly embarrassed to serve it. I recall the first flight (LHR-SIN-MEL 1999 I think) when the first time the Perry food was served. There was just about a revolt in the J cabin.

 

[VPS]

Since this is a rant thread ...
I (still) fly Qantas along with other airlines, and IMHO the food is and has been the weakest link for a long time.
The Perry menus are invariably impressive and tempting, but the food that appears disappointing and bearing little resemblance to the description. I have been on flights where the crew are visibly embarrassed to serve it. I recall the first flight (LHR-SIN-MEL 1999 I think) when the first time the Perry food was served. There was just about a revolt in the J cabin.

I sat next to a Q captain the other day and we were chatting about Neil Perry food and his first comment was I'm afraid I can't comment but after a couple of G&T's and some wine he did agree he was w@nker

 

[Happy Trails]

I sat next to a Q captain the other day and we were chatting about Neil Perry food and his first comment was I'm afraid I can't comment but after a couple of G&T's and some wine he did agree he was w@nker

I'm hoping you weren't the first officer.

 

[VPS]

I'm hoping you weren't the first officer.

No - I was 1C and he was 1D - although I did note he didn't have his ipad on flight mode for the whole trip and used it extensively

 

[ayebee]

I sat next to a Q captain the other day and we were chatting about Neil Perry food and his first comment was I'm afraid I can't comment but after a couple of G&T's and some wine he did agree he was w@nker

... afraid I can only comment on the food. But I do wonder why the "partnering" has lasted so long.