Join AFF to have a Rant? It happens!

[junbugging]

You are right, there are a few members whom have gone on to be active members of this community, however for every one ranter whom sticks around to become a valuable member, there are many other one post wonders whom are simply looking for a platform to vent. My question simply is, should AFF be giving them that platform?

It's a slippery slope. Some might want a sub-forum for people who don't know how to use the word "who".

 

[mannej]

It's a slippery slope. Some might want a sub-forum for people who don't know how to use the word "who".

That is a bit of a personal dig is it not?

 

[Vic]

That is a bit of a personal dig is it not?

A dig? Really?
I think it just makes a point that everyone is different. some people don't like rants, others don't like poor grammar. I think I recall seeinga grammar thread around here...

 

[Pushka]

A dig? Really?
I think it just makes a point that everyone is different. some people don't like rants, others don't like poor grammar. I think I recall seeinga grammar thread around here...

Edit: Pricing - I've seen $4500 return sydney to Jo-burg on sale in business. Not sure the normal price.

There is a grammar thread. Because there is a lot of diversity in these boards that’s the place to discuss correct grammar, in other threads it isn’t kosher to correct other people’s posts because English is not everyone’s first language and then sum weren’t tort proper either.

 

[mannej]

A dig? Really?
I think it just makes a point that everyone is different. some people don't like rants, others don't like poor grammar. I think I recall seeinga grammar thread around here...

Edit: Pricing - I've seen $4500 return sydney to Jo-burg on sale in business. Not sure the normal price.

Yes it is. I think you may have missed the intention of the post, but it is quite clear to me.

 

[boomy]

One of the things I like about AFF is that I believe most people here actually travel, thus even if I don't agree with what they have said, I still believe it comes from a place of experience. A new members rant I have no real idea if they travel a lot, it was their first flight and years of TV and movies gave them unrealistic expectations or they are a troll pure and simple. In my mind I put that sort of thread from a new member on about the same level as a news.com.au comments area or a travelers letters to the editor page, aka not a lot.

You are right, there are a few members whom have gone on to be active members of this community, however for every one ranter whom sticks around to become a valuable member, there are many other one post wonders whom are simply looking for a platform to vent. My question simply is, should AFF be giving them that platform?

I think all should be treated equally on one platform, regardless of how many posts the member has.

As MT said, this is where personal experience as frequent flyer comes into play and each reader can decide for themselves if the OP has valid claims.

It’s interesting that members are bothered by rants while tend to overlook over-positive posts. I remember reading some posts by new members which were so overly positive that I thought they’re either paid advertise by the airline or one-time traveller who got extremely lucky because things are not usually that good. Nevertheless, instead of attacking the newbies credibility I chose to move on to other posts and let members decide themselves if they believe it or not.

 

[Vic]

Yes it is. I think you may have missed the intention of the post, but it is quite clear to me.

I do not claim to be capable of seeing inside the mind of another to clearly determine their intention in writing something on the internet. Congratulations that you have this skill.
Anyway, as you are a multi-1000 post person, I'll bow out to your power around here.

 

[mannej]

I do not claim to be capable of seeing inside the mind of another to clearly determine their intention in writing something on the internet. Congratulations that you have this skill.
Anyway, as you are a multi-1000 post person, I'll bow out to your power around here.

No need for a response like that, however Pushka has mentioned why it was considered a personal dig.

 

[Deleted member]

That is a bit of a personal dig is it not?

it's a bit like "knowing Your cough" vs "knowing you're cough" Grammar and spelling can save us all from misunderstanding.

 

[Vic]

No need for a response like that, however Pushka has mentioned why it was considered a personal dig.

You've dismissed the alternative that I offered, particularly my point about why it might not be a dig, and claimed to clearly know someone else intention. I simply do not accept that claim. The other post provides information, but does not address my point either.
But you both have over 5000 posts (in my experience here a cut off point) and so will continue to dismiss my opinion. So there will be no further comment from me.

 

[serfty]

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If you want to discuss the topic of this thread, please do so here (but stay civil!).

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[Pushka]

You've dismissed the alternative that I offered, particularly my point about why it might not be a dig, and claimed to clearly know someone else intention. I simply do not accept that claim. The other post provides information, but does not address my point either.
But you both have over 5000 posts (in my experience here a cut off point) and so will continue to dismiss my opinion. So there will be no further comment from me.

I wasn’t responding to your initial comment but why correcting other people’s grammar and spelling isn’t usually done for posts and now adding - UNLESS I really can’t understand its meaning or, as per the example given above (your versus you’re) it changes the meaning. Re the post count. I don’t take any notice of the number of posts as I explained on the very first page of this thread. Newbies like EmilyP made an exceptional and enlightening first post that was a rant. If you don’t like posters with more than 5,000 posts then really I’ve nothing more to add. Your choice as always.

 

[drron]

I don't think the OP had an unjustified rant.Finally found the post I was looking for as my old links now just go to the forum page of AFF but this was the return flight from NRT-
URL="Japan.It's Bloomin marvellous."]Japan.It's Bloomin marvellous.[/URL]
The relevant part-

A refurbed 333.We were in the middle seats Row 2.On boarding all the J seats had the duvet in place except mrsdrrons.The CSM came round giving plats a welcome except he gave it to me rather than mrsdrron who is the WP.She was ignored.This is par for the course on QF.CX and JL can get it right.Also again have to fill in your brekkie order before takeoff-not required on CX and JL.Finally did get a glass of champagne.
The CSM then came round taking dinner orders,mrsdrron was bypassed until the elites had ordered so I got to order before her.Now the ceviche dish looked interesting so I asked to start with the ceviche and then have the pork belly sliders.I was told in no uncertain terms that the ceviche was a main course and so I could only have 1 course and it was the pork belly.What wonderful J service.On top of that the only ceviche I saw being eaten was by a FA in the galley.

 

[JohnK]

I find issue with those who use their first post to rant, and will attack those who have a differing opinion.

It happens more often than not.

In all fairness having any number of people disagreeing with you by attacking you is not acceptable and I can understand the retaliation.

It has happened on a number of threads I started. Some regulars have nothing to add but post to say you are wrong or serves you right. You and I have discussed this in PMs many times.

It doesn't matter if you disagree with the rant. You are entitled to an opinion but that doesn't mean the person posting the rant didn't have a bad experience. I have not really had any bad Qantas experiences but always interested to hear the experience of others.

 

[harvyk]

First of all, one of the things I like about AFF as apposed to some of the other places is that most of the members here can discuss differing views in a civil manner without resorting to personal attacks. I feel that posts about someones grammar add absolutely nothing to a thread, and I also feel that if your argument is based on how someone has said something rather than the content of what they have said, then perhaps you need to revisit your argument. (sorry mods, I normally let things like the above slide, but this time it just bothered me)

Earlier in this thread the question was asked why do us anti-ranters care.

In part you are right, it's very easy to ignore a ranting thread and simply skip over it. But the flip side of the coin is that by allowing a one post ranter is that it encourages others to do the same. Generally those threads don't really add much to AFF, however such posts will appear in google searches, and that encourages additional one post ranters.

As has been pointed out, there are exceptions, certain members started looking like they would be a one post ranter however they ended up contributing, the moderation team would need to weigh that factor up when deciding on what threads from low post count members would be allowed through. As has also being pointed out, it's not just the overly negative one post ranter whose value to the forum should be questioned, it's the overly positive single post member should also have questions about the new members motivations.

Of course these are simply suggestions based on my own personal feelings, as the updated logo states AFF has being around for 20 years, so the occasional rant from a one post ranter hasn't kill it yet.

 

[straitman]

A dig? Really?
I think it just makes a point that everyone is different. Some people don't like rants, others don't like poor grammar. I think I recall seeing a grammar thread around here...

Spelling corrected.

 

[Quickstatus]

Credibility (note: not "credence") comes from respecting others' plausible personal opinions and showing common sense, as opposed to being argumentative just because one can be.

Make sure you understand before you make sure you are understood

 

[mannej]

In all fairness having any number of people disagreeing with you by attacking you is not acceptable and I can understand the retaliation.

It has happened on a number of threads I started. Some regulars have nothing to add but post to say you are wrong or serves you right. You and I have discussed this in PMs many times.

It doesn't matter if you disagree with the rant. You are entitled to an opinion but that doesn't mean the person posting the rant didn't have a bad experience. I have not really had any bad Qantas experiences but always interested to hear the experience of others.

There is a difference between being attacked (and that is not on), and people disagreeing with comments being made.

What I refer to is the latter, at the one who will bite back at those who have been around here for a bit and have offered a factual response to the rant only to get shot down by the OP.

It does happen, and doesn't really add any value if the one having the rant isn't willing to take on board the collective experience of the forum as a whole.

 

[drron]

Sorry I cant see where the OP in this case has shot down anybody.In particular he agreed with your points.
The second post in this hive off I see as a cry of frustration.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Earlier in this thread the question was asked why do us anti-ranters care.

In part you are right, it's very easy to ignore a ranting thread and simply skip over it. But the flip side of the coin is that by allowing a one post ranter is that it encourages others to do the same. Generally those threads don't really add much to AFF, however such posts will appear in google searches, and that encourages additional one post ranters.

Thanks. But is that a bad thing? Posters have a choice of place to go for a rant, and I don't see a lot of cross-posting of rants between AFF, Ausbt, FT, Ozbargain and Whirlpool. Wouldn't you rather have AFF as the place that generates the site visits and traffic than it going somewhere else?

Overall - and provided a post isn't offensive - a post adds to the depth of the site whether for existing contributors or new ones. Welcoming a new member might not only keep the OP, but also generate secondary traffic by that OP. There are some sites that barely generate any discussion and what is there doesn't generally raise anything of substance. I might visit those site once a week, and don't bother posting.