is the MH/VS RTW fare as stupid as it seems?

Discussion in 'Your Questions' started by aspro2, Feb 1, 2006.

  1. aspro2

    aspro2 Member

    Nov 26, 2004
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    Hi all. Until today, I've been considering an MH/VS RTW business fare ex MEL which is a real bargain at a little more than AUD5000. I noticed a point in the fare rules which says that KUL can only be transited once. I assumed that this meant one could transit once and would have to do a stopover on the way back (as MH serves MEL and VS doesn't, KUL is the only option). I checked with my TA today and she spoke to MH. Apparently my assumption is wrong, and the *only* viable routing for this fare is SYD-HKG-LON(VS) -LAX-KUL-MEL(MH) or vv.

    I had also thought originally about doing a bit of mileage maximisation by trying:
    MEL-KUL-TYO(MH)-LON-LAX(VS)-KUL-MEL(MH)
    but they claim that flying via TYO would be backtracking!

    Any wisdom from folks here, or is this a truly bullsh1t fare?
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  2. NM

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    Its a good fare if all you need to visit are HKG, LON, LAX and KUL (in that order of the exact reverse). Adding a separate MEL-SYD or SYD-MEL is not going to add much to the cost, but will be a separate ticket to could have some issues around baggage and connection protection.

    If you want to visit other places then its not looking so good. So its not going to be of much use to many people, and anyone outside Sydney is going to have the same problem with an open-jaw.
     
  3. dajop

    dajop Senior Member

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    Interesting, on Best Flights this fare is listed, but it states:
    Could be an error, as that is just in the publicity blurb.

    Also of note is a RTW fare available solely on SQ (+MI), for around $6K, which definitely does allow transits of SIN twice (.... well there ain't any alternative...)
     
  4. aspro2

    aspro2 Member

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    Thanks for your comments NM!

    Yes, dajop, i think that was what originally made me interested in the fare :x
     
  5. Kiwi Flyer

    Kiwi Flyer Senior Member

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    Does the fare allow codeshare flights? VS codeshares some SQ & NZ flights.
     
  6. aspro2

    aspro2 Member

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    A large swathe of VS codeshares are excluded, including the SYD-MEL vv DJ flights which VS uses as feeders for its Sydney dep/arr. Haven't checked the specifics routes for the full codeshare range.
     
  7. Kiwi Flyer

    Kiwi Flyer Senior Member

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    I was thinking more in terms of longhaul codeshares which may open up more routing options.
     
  8. dajop

    dajop Senior Member

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    The only other routing from Australia I could think of was PER-KCH-BKI-HKG-LHR-LAX-KUL-PER/SYD/MEL/ADL/BNE.
     
  9. aspro2

    aspro2 Member

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    Yes, i realised that Kiwi Flyer:). The DJ flights were the only ones I knew concretely at the time of my last reply. The exclusion is VS2000-5999 AND VS7000-9999, which encompasses the SQ flights to LON/MAN. Haven't yet found which NZ flights also have VS numbers.

    Dajop: nice routing, thanks... pity about the gap between MEL and PER but still interesting.
     
  10. BlacKnox

    BlacKnox Active Member

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    Note that MH will/ should (?) throw in a free sidetrip to Penang or Langkawi if you stop-over in KUL. For a bit of sun & sand, it's a nice extra.
     
  11. clifford

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    Hi aspro, I'm not sure if you've told us where you really want to go and what you would like to do with any FF points gained.

    If you could be a bit more specific we could probably turn up some quite interesting options for you (might be a bit unconventional though).

    As a matter of interest, I'm currently sitting in the SQ Silver Kris lounge in Singapore awaiting my flight to SYD, the last leg of an (almost) round the world trip in business class.

    It was round the world in the literal sense, but not in the accepted sense.
    Routing was SYD-SIN-CMB-MLE-DXB-BKK-LAX-JFK-BKK-CMB-SIN-SYD, You might wonder what happened to Europe. Well on the JFK-BKK sector, we did fly over Greenland, Finland, Norway, Russia, etc, but not sure if that counts.

    :)
     
  12. Kiwi Flyer

    Kiwi Flyer Senior Member

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    clifford - yhpm
     
  13. aspro2

    aspro2 Member

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    Hi Clifford:) Thanks for your response. Loved the routing! I want to hit LAX or SFO and a European port in France, Italy, UK or Germany in Sept/Oct (intraeurope can be LCC or others, so not as big an issue). The biggest problem is the budget--very tight if I want to fly J--which is why the MH/VS fare looked interesting at first. There's an LHUATG fare which is only a little more (and possibly works out similar in total to the MH/VS one, as MH's surcharges seem to be considerably higher than some other carriers, while the LHTGUA includes two coupons in Europe).

    Had a look at the rather uninspiring idea of an upgradeable Y ticket MEL-LAX-LON on UA (AUD 3676, H class), and applying my measly miles balance to MEL-LAX-MEL for upgrades. Not feeling enthusiastic about that.

    None of these options permit much flexibility in routing so I guess the best I might do out of it is enough for an intraeurope or AU-NZ award.
     
  14. clifford

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    Hi Aspro,

    Your best bet might be to go through BKK where you can get a BKK-LHR return ticket in Bus class for approx USD 1694 on Emirates (a very nice airline). A cheap Y class ticket to BKK should set you back approx AUD 900. If you really want to go to the USA, you could probably get a cheapish ticket LON-LAX-LON from one of the UK bucket shops (eg eBookers.com).

    Have a look at http://www.traveltech2000.com, might give you a few ideas.

    Regards,
    clifford.
     
  15. aspro2

    aspro2 Member

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    Thanks again clifford. Looks like some very creative planning is in order:)
     
  16. k3nnis

    k3nnis Established Member

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    Hi Guys,

    Sorry to revive an old thread :) But i am actually looking at this fare now. For my end of 2007 holidays. Sadly the fare has gone up quite a bit but i think still not a bad deal. its $7799 ex tax.

    Anyone been on this fare before and could anyone tell me what the taxes are? $700?

    Now i think it might be still unclear on what routes are allowed, but maybe someone on here who has bought this ticket can help. Calling MH and bestflights i get 2 different answers!

    The route i am thinking of doing is:

    SYD-KUL-NRT with MH
    NRT-LHR-SFO with VS
    Make my own way to lax
    LAX-TPE-KUL-SYD with MH

    Do you think this routing is possible? Also the exact opposite:

    SYD-KUL-LAX with MH
    LAX-LHR-NRT with VS
    NRT-KUL-SYD with MH

    Cheers,
    Kenn.
     
  17. k3nnis

    k3nnis Established Member

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    Anyone know more about this fare?:)
     
  18. serfty

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    Given this fare was available over 17 months ago, it may no longer be around. If it is still available, its price may have altered significantly.
     
  19. Dave Noble

    Dave Noble Senior Member

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    The $7999 fare is a standard MH fare. Rules from EF are

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    UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED . NOTE - A- ALL TRAVEL MUST BE ON THE SERVICES OF MH/VS. 
    
    EXCEPTIONS - VS CODESHARE SERVICES - FLIGHTS VS 2000-5999/ VS 7000-9999 CAN NOT BE 
    USED. 
    B- PASSENGERS MAY ENPLANE AND DEPLANE AT THE FOLLOWING POINTS VIA THE SERVICES OF
    MH INDICATED BELOW SUBJECT TO THE STOPOVER CONDITIONS AND ROUTING CONDITIONS. 
    POINTS OF ENPLANEMENT AND DEPLANEMENT FOR CXR 
    MH. 1- NORTH AMERICA- LAX/NYC 
    2- EUROPE- LON/MAN/AMS/FRA/PAR/IST/ROM/VIE/ZRH 
    3- MIDDLE EAST- DXB/BEY/CAI 
    4- ASIA- BKI/BKK/CEB/FUK/HKG/KHH/KUL/KCH/MNL/NGO/ 
    OSA/PEN/SEL/SIN/TPE/TYO/SHA/DEL/MAA/BLR/ BOM/HYD 
    5- S.W. PACIFIC- ADL/BNE/MEL/PER. /I/-SYD-APPLICABLE TO SIDE TRIPS AS PER PARAGRAPH
     /A/ /2/ /B/. /II/ AKL- APPLICABLE TO SIDE TRIPS AS PER PARAGRAPH /A/ /2/ /B/. 
    6- AFRICA- JNB/CPT C- FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE ONLY APPLY TO THE SERVICES OF MH. 
    PASSENGERS MAY BE ENPLANED AT POINTS NAMED IN THE ROUTING CHART PARAGRAPH 
    /L/ /1/ /B/ HOWEVER TRAVEL AT THESE FARES MAY ONLY ORIGINATE AT THE POINTS NAMED IN 
    PARAGRAPH /A/ /2/ /A/. 
    
    2- TRAVEL MUST BE IN A CONTINUOUS GLOBAL DIRECTION AROUND-THE-WORLD- EITHER 
    EASTBOUND OR WESTBOUND. NORTHBOUND AND/OR SOUTHBOUND DEVIATIONS WILL BE 
    AT THE CARRIERS DISCRETION. THE DIRECTION OF TRAVEL CANNOT BE REVERSED - 
    BACKTRACKING WILL NOT BE PERMITTED AND NO CITY IS TO BE TRANSITTED MORE THAN 
    ONCE UNLESS AN ADDITIONAL SIDE TRIP ASSESSED. 
    
    EXCEPTION 1- FOR TRAVEL TO/FROM- BKK/PEN/SIN VIA- KUL ONLY ONE SIDE TRIP WILL BE 
    PERMITTED WITH NOT MORE THAN ONE STOPOVER PERMITTED AT KUL. 
    EXCEPTION 2- FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING/TERMINATING BKI/KCH/PEN/ SIN/AUSTRALIA- KUL 
    MAY BE TRANSITTED TWICE BUT ONLY ONE STOPOVER PERMITTED AT KUL. 
    
    3- TRAVEL MUST BE ON SECTORS OPERATED BY MH AS INDICATED IN /L/ /1/. 
    ALL TRAVEL IS SUBJECT TO CARRIERS CURRENT OPERATED SCHEDULES AND AUTHORISED 
    ROUTE AUTHORITY. PASSENGERS MAY NOT BE BOARDED OR DEPLANED BETWEEN POINTS 
    WHERE CARRIERS HAVE NO TRAFFIC RIGHTS. 
    
    4- TRAVEL MUST COMMENCE AND TERMINATE IN THE SAME COUNTRY EXCEPT WHERE THE 
    APPLICABLE ROUTING DOES NOT PERMIT A COMPLETE ROUND-THE-WORLD JOURNEY DUE 
    TO CURRENT OPERATED SCHEDULES OR CURRENT ROUTE AUTHORITY. 
    
    5- TRAVEL MAY BE VIA CARRIERS OTHER THAN THOSE PARTICIPATIONG IN THIS RULE OR VIA 
    SURFACE TRANSPORTATION - HOWEVER SUCH TRAVEL IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE THROUGH FARE 
    AND IS SOLELY AT THE PASSENGERS EXPENSE. THE POINT AT WHICH TRAVEL RESUMES ON THE 
    THROUGH FARE - AFTER THE EXCLUDED TRAVEL- MUST BE A POINT WHICH CONTINUES IN THE SAME 
    GLOBAL DIRECTION TRAVEL ORIGINATED. 
    
     
  20. serfty

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    $7999 :shock:

    Well, it certainly has gone up in price.
     
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