Is QF582 breaking SYD curfew?

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I'm watching this on flight radar24 - 11.22pm arrival. The screenshot will not upload - going at 1000km/h!!
 
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See in 15min. Certainly doesn't look like diverting.
May have approval. who knows.
 

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I assume there is a fine for breaking the curfew?
 

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Thank goodness some common sense and it was allowed to land on Sydney. Diverting planes to avoid the stupid Sydney curfew is such a waste of resources and time.
I pray one day that the inflexibility and strictness of the curfew is relaxed to allow common sense exceptions for unplanned late arrivals
 

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Thank goodness some common sense and it was allowed to land on Sydney. Diverting planes to avoid the stupid Sydney curfew is such a waste of resources and time.
I pray one day that the inflexibility and strictness of the curfew is relaxed to allow common sense exceptions for unplanned late arrivals
It would be frustrating for all involved. I imagine that landing a 737 would be on the quieter end of the noise spectrum? I'm curious to know, would they ever land with a slight wind so that they could approach over the water instead of over houses?
 

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Thank goodness some common sense and it was allowed to land on Sydney. Diverting planes to avoid the stupid Sydney curfew is such a waste of resources and time.
I pray one day that the inflexibility and strictness of the curfew is relaxed to allow common sense exceptions for unplanned late arrivals

Have you actually read the curfew rules, common sense exceptions have been in the act for a long time already?
 

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Have you actually read the curfew rules, common sense exceptions have been in the act for a long time already?

So why do they force people to spend the night in other cities sometimes because of the curfew
 

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It would be frustrating for all involved. I imagine that landing a 737 would be on the quieter end of the noise spectrum? I'm curious to know, would they ever land with a slight wind so that they could approach over the water instead of over houses?

Flight radar showed it as an A330. It did appear to be approaching from the south when I looked, just when it was turning to line up with the runway.
 

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Flight radar showed it as an A330. It did appear to be approaching from the south when I looked, just when it was turning to line up with the runway.
Oh OK. They should be able to get away without using reverse thrust I imagine?
 

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Any clues to what the exception might have been, if indeed one was granted. Also, who grants such exceptions, tower supervisor or to they wake up the minister?

I could google it, but Markis10 is so close to 30,000 posts why deny him the chance to add to his tally.
 

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Any clues to what the exception might have been, if indeed one was granted. Also, who grants such exceptions, tower supervisor or to they wake up the minister?

I could google it, but Markis10 is so close to 30,000 posts why deny him the chance to add to his tally.

The aircraft needs to meet the following requirements of exceptional circumstances:

To be considered exceptional the circumstances must generally be:

. of immediate origin;

. of such a character that they could not reasonably have been foreseen; and

. and not reasonably able to be met by alternative arrangements.


Under the act the minister or a delegate is approved, which includes an airservices australia employee, more than likely that Senior Terminal Area Controller at Sydney, when Sydney had an area approach centre is was the SAAC or senior area approach controller who was the delegate.
 

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One of the reasons I could be seen to be playing devils advocate in this discussion is that in many ways it's an old battle, and in my opinion, something of a red herring. The act has not changed to much extent in twenty years, and the aircraft that could be affected by it over that time would unlikely be over 200 movements if you add them up. In the meantime, we have another insidious restriction that effects pretty much every air traveller in Australia, not to mention the airlines, their workers and pretty much anyone in Aviation. That restriction is the number of movements allowed at Sydney at ANY given hour. Its a cap on productivity that has far reaching implications across our economy, yet rarely gets mentioned. It also adds significant unsafe and unnecessary workload to my former colleagues in ATC, who have to slow aircraft and keep them in the air for longer than what is practically required. If you are going to rage against something, the hourly movement cap makes a very good target IMHO.
 

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I didn't realise there was a cap. Does it depend on direction of landing, or is it nondescript?
 

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I didn't realise there was a cap. Does it depend on direction of landing, or is it nondescript?

The Sydney Airport Demand Management Act 1997 was enacted on 17 November 1997. The Act sets a cap of 80 hourly movements which is a landing or takeoff.
 
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