Hostages Taken in Martin Place

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I'd agree with you medhead that facts are sparse. But I'd also say the Muslim clerics have been briefed by police given the strength of their pleas for sanity to prevail. While not facts the strong indication is that it is an extremist and I'd hazard a guess to say not of the Christian or Hebrew community.

Heard an "expert" say the use of the hostages to get his message to police is a very clever tactic.

I think the use of hostages changes this from one of those dreadful USA school shootings. Just like when the three miners were trapped we sat watching the TV hoping for a safe rescue.
 
Buzzard does have a point. The mainstream media seems only very interested in what is going on by virtue of the fact that it is involving Muslims or Arabic people (that is what is suspected).

A classroom of kids gets shot up in America and we get one news story out of it from the BBC. The BBC has a live blog on this story.

It is interesting of another observation made by another person here that this story seems to serve to divide us more than to unite us, if the only consensus is that we hope anyone who is being held as a hostage is set free without injury.

The most damaging divide is to have statements to the effect that all muslims are the same and they are very dangerous. Disagreeing over the facts and speculation here is just discussion. That's the strength of our culture and society that the nut jobs hate.
 
<SNIP> Disagreeing over the facts and speculation here is just discussion. That's the strength of our culture and society that the nut jobs hate.

Yes, it is often hard for outsiders to understand that we can seem to be at each other's throats over an issue, and then sit down and have a drink together and some times even a laugh. That is a real strength, the ability to argue hard but let go before it gets out of hand.
 
I'm sure the hostages would love to be able to say that. They must be terrified. Maybe turn off the TV.

I'm watching Aircraft Investigations actually.
I do however sympathies with the Islamic community as this will certainly bring hatred to them from some.
Not saying that I don't feel for the hostages.
 
Yeah it tells us the person in there might want to create an impression. You see islamic terrorist. I'm simply stating the obvious alternatives.



Firstly, my first post was in reply to the <stuff> about past incidents raised to address the innocence lost statement were somehow supposed to disprove a religious connection. Lets not lose sight of that context. Past incidents were not raised to make a point about religion, so he did miss the point.

Secondly, refer to my reply above. All you and I know is that some one has waved a common religious text. There are no facts that say this is 100% related to religion. To say that requires you drawing a conclusion about motivation. Are you privy to that person thought process?

I also note that you continue to ignore my question. What is the significant of that phrase when it is widely used in christian churches. Do you see ducks when a christian recites those words? What about when spoken in latin? Talk about going off on a tangent just because the exact same idea is in arabic. Arabic is the language of people who do follow the same god as me.

I didn't realise that yours was a question.But in the context of the world today Christianity is not the religion I think of when a fellow forces people at gunpoint to hold up a black flag with Arabic writing on it praising God whilst wearing a black head band with virtually identical wording.
It sure makes me think religion is behind this act.Your protests remind me of the the US mainstream media after the Boston Marathon bombing.They were very wrong on that one.Time will tell but I think most will be surprised if religion is not a factor in this incident.
I do not have recent memories of Christians,Buddhists,Orthodox etc holding up a black flag whilst showing off severed heads or describing other equally horrendous acts.
Do you?

The most important thing though is to hope for the eventual release of the hostages unharmed.
 
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Unfortunately history is littered with stories of savagery from pretty much every religious persuasion. Try googling Spanish Inquisition.
 
I didn't realise that yours was a question.But in the context of the world today Christianity is not the religion I think of when a fellow forces people at gunpoint to hold up a black flag with Arabic writing on it praising God whilst wearing a black head band with virtually identical wording.
It sure makes me think religion is behind this act.Your protests remind me of the the US mainstream media after the Boston Marathon bombing.They were very wrong on that one.Time will tell but I think most will be surprised if religion is not a factor in this incident.
I do not have recent memories of Christians,Buddhists,Orthodox etc holding up a black flag whilst showing off severed heads or describing other equally horrendous acts.
Do you?

The most important thing though is to hope for the eventual release of the hostages unharmed.

Your missing my point.

But let's just agree that the hostages are most important.
 
Unfortunately history is littered with stories of savagery from pretty much every religious persuasion. Try googling Spanish Inquisition.

Yep, even the Buddhists recently got in the act in Myanmar. Christians too are not without sin in this regard.
 
i'd say this pretty much confirms it.....

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All just very sickening. all the best for all involved.

This is absolutely <redacted>. If Islam has declared war on us then we would be stupid to keep cough footing around this and should go to war against Islam. If Islam is our enemy, living amongst us, then surely it's time to do something...
 
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Thank your deity of choice that shift is over. It was very strange alternating between reading social media during off-train breaks & then situation normal while on the network.

Rather annoyed that some of my office staff based near Central were evacuated (nowhere near Martin Place) but nay a word about my station staff colleagues at Martin Place or the countless staff still going under the city as normal hoping they'll get out the other side.
 
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Good to see the police on top of social media and the major sites assisting.

The individual does appear very organised (journos phone numbers and devices to upload to the web).

I suspect mobile reception around the cbd might be struggling shortly
 
Yep you're right, my church says "there is only one true god" or something like that. Given it is the exact same god in both cases similarities in the liturgy is hardly surprising. It is being widely reported as a common prayer of the islamic faith. The wording closely mirrors words used during communion in a christian church. Like I said, I say the same thing every time I go to church.
And medhead is now a Theologian as well that understands the belief structure of all religions. Well done. I did not realise you were so important.

How dare you discuss religion and put down my religious beliefs?
 
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Tomorrow's Telegraph

A SELF-styled sheik and preacher of Islamic State on bail for accessory to murder is the gunman who was last night holding 15 terrified hostages in Sydney's Lindt cafe.

The revelations came after a day of unprecedented horror in Sydney's heart, with the first Islamic attack hitting NSW soil. The 49-year-old, originally from Iran who now lives in southwest Sydney, had previously sent offensive letters to the families of dead Australian soldiers, calling them murderers, and earlier this year was charged with sexual assault.

Armed with a shotgun and a flag linked to extremist groups, the radical Islamic preacher burst into the cafe at 9.45am, taking up to 20 hostages. Just five hostages had escaped the cafe by 8.30pm.

Workers in nearby buildings were evacuated or locked down and ordered away from windows as heavily armed police moved into Martin Place.

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Gunman identified as IS

FROM PAGE 1 Terrified hostages were forced to hold the Islamic flag bearing the words: "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger".

The gunman, who arrived in Australia as a refugee in 1996, forced his hostages to the windows to act as human shields and in calls from the cafe they referred to him as "The Brother".

He was charged with being an accessory before and after the fact to the murder of his ex-wife, allegedly stabbed and set alight in a stairwell of her Sydney apartment complex.

His current partner was charged with murder. The couple was given bail in Penrith Local Court, with Magistrate Darryl Pearce saying the Crown's case was weak.

Then in March this year the selfstyled preacher was arrested and charged with sexually and indecently assaulting a young woman in NSW for "spiritual healing" in 2002.

His alleged victim, 27 at the time, allegedly saw an advertisement for "spiritual consultation'' in a local newspaper and contacted him He told her he was an expert in astrology, numerology, meditation and black magic and advised her to visit his clinic.

One theory being investigated by intelligence officials was the Lindt cafe was not his primary target and that he rushed in there after being spooked by members of the public who alerted police to his behaviour.

The suspected terrorist had previously been detained on suspicion of terrorism-related offences, The Daily Telegraph can reveal.

Senior intelligence sources confirmed that the man was known to authorities and had been detained and questioned earlier this year.

Last night the government confirmed to The Daily Telegraph that the man was known to security agencies but would not elaborate.

It was not clear last night whether he was on a national security watch list but some members of the intelligence community questioned how he slipped through the net.

Self-styled Sydney sheikh accused over woman's death
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'Spiritual healer' Man Haron Monis charged with sexually assaulting client

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Haron
 
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The totally off-topic thread

Police have released the name of the suspect in the Sydney siege - Man Haron Monis, an Iranian cleric out on bail for a string of violent offences.
 
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