Hostages Taken in Martin Place

[medhead]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

Erkpod posted in the other thread re SYD siege. Perhaps I misunderstood, but I thought he meant that he didn't have to stop at Martin Place, and that the City Circle (inc. Martin Pl.) was very quiet???

Martin place isn't on the city circle. But trains are operating the bondi line without stopping. I took it to mean he doesn't drive the bondi line during the week.

 

[whatmeworry]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

This guy ain't worried about Terrorism.
"Terrorism? Nah mate, coughen' perfect weather" - Imgur

 

[Himeno]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

Bit of a tangent (although to tie it back to the forum), many flights were diverted around the CBD today, and Qantas was no exception.

They aren't really being diverted away from the CBD. That airspace is under SYD terminal control.
https://twitter.com/CASABriefing/status/544303379602612224

 

[kelvedon]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

Is it just me, or have I seen this Deputy Commissioner before?



Eric Idle.....................D.Commissioner Kath Burns

 

[drron]

Funny. I say that every time I go to church.

Also being report on smh that it is not the flag of a particular group in Iraq that is often mentioned in news stories.

Black flag,Arabic writing,translated by an Al Jazeera journalist just suggests to me they are not talking about your church Medhead.
If it looks like a duck.....,.,

 

[erkpod]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

Martin place isn't on the city circle. But trains are operating the bondi line without stopping. I took it to mean he doesn't drive the bondi line during the week.

I don't drive the Bondi line during the week. For police operations such as this, it has become common to not stop at the station but continue on where possible.

 

[jukebox333]

Black flag,Arabic writing,translated by an Al Jazeera journalist just suggests to me they are not talking about your church Medhead.
If it looks like a duck.....,.,

Well if it weighs the same as a duck... it's a witch!

 

[medhead]

Black flag,Arabic writing,translated by an Al Jazeera journalist just suggests to me they are not talking about your church Medhead.
If it looks like a duck.....,.,

Yep you're right, my church says "there is only one true god" or something like that. Given it is the exact same god in both cases similarities in the liturgy is hardly surprising. It is being widely reported as a common prayer of the islamic faith. The wording closely mirrors words used during communion in a christian church. Like I said, I say the same thing every time I go to church.

 

[whatmeworry]

Reports the guy wants a proper ISIS flag.

 

[moa999]

Per post #63,

Flag is a fairly standard statement about the Islamic faith, the Shahada, but has previously been co-opted by terrorist groups:
Flag being held by Lindt Chocolat Cafe hostages is not an Islamic State flag

For non-terrorist uses
The text, with a sword, and green background rather than black,
Is the flag of the Saudia Arabia


I wouldn't necessarily believe the reports they are asking for an ISIS flag.
It seems the police are telling the press not to release anything at all about the operation - names, demands, numbers etc

See more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahada

 

[BAM1748]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

What is interesting is what the flag isn't. Being written in Arabic doesn't actually tell us much. I'm sure my coffee machine has instructions in Arabic. It is a generic arabic thing.

Holding hostages for ransom may be terrorism, and I certainly haven't said it wasn't. But it is not the typical terrorism of the type that is being speculated. It is not the typical approach of the death cult as the telegraph has speculated. If we remember what was reported as their action plan in Australia it is very different to today's events.

I can't express my thoughts in public, so I'm not going to continue to try.

I think being written in Arabic tells us a lot, otherwise it would be written in English if they simply wanted to point out something about a god.

Matt

 

[Isochronous]

I'm sure the siege is a wonderfully multicultural experience for all concerned that would do Al Grassby proud.

 

[under the radar]

and many on here, and the media, are feeding the 'cause' and doing what 'they' want us to do.... eveyone is fighting amongst themselves... the media is putting the fear of god into us .... because its great for ratings....we crave information instantly.... WE ARE OUR OWN WORST ENEMY

 

[drron]

John. You've missed the point. The comment was made that we've lost our innocence because of this one event. Pointing out that there have been a number of similar and much bigger events already is entirely about the suggestion of innocence lost. It has nothing to do with proving anything about religion.

20 or 30 bikies having a running gun battle at milperra is a much greater loss of innocence. How about one person smashing in the head of another with a metal pole at Sydney airport - innocence lost?

This hostage situation is no more nor less dramatic that anything that has already happened in Australia. I'm certainly more scared of bikies and organised crime than I am of random nut jobs.

As for religion - we don't even know yet if this has anything to do with religion. The police have not confirmed a religious angle.

Though Al Jazeera here in BKK show close ups of the black flag and translate the writing as-There is only One God.

Funny. I say that every time I go to church.

Also being report on smh that it is not the flag of a particular group in Iraq that is often mentioned in news stories.

Black flag,Arabic writing,translated by an Al Jazeera journalist just suggests to me they are not talking about your church Medhead.
If it looks like a duck.....,.,

Yep you're right, my church says "there is only one true god" or something like that. Given it is the exact same god in both cases similarities in the liturgy is hardly surprising. It is being widely reported as a common prayer of the islamic faith. The wording closely mirrors words used during communion in a christian church. Like I said, I say the same thing every time I go to church.

Note the bolded part of the first of your quotes that I replied to.The answer yes there are facts saying this incident is related to religion.
And not your religion.

 

[Buzzard]

I'm over this siege already. If it wasn't for an Arabic flag it would be programming as normal. On the plus side, hopefully there will be some cheap flights to SYD.

 

[moa999]

I'm over this siege already. If it wasn't for an Arabic flag it would be programming as normal. On the plus side, hopefully there will be some cheap flights to SYD.

I very much doubt either of those things

 

[Pushka]

I'm over this siege already. If it wasn't for an Arabic flag it would be programming as normal. On the plus side, hopefully there will be some cheap flights to SYD.

I'm sure the hostages would love to be able to say that. They must be terrified. Maybe turn off the TV.

 

[drron]

I'm over this siege already. If it wasn't for an Arabic flag it would be programming as normal. On the plus side, hopefully there will be some cheap flights to SYD.

The rest of the world doesn't agree with you.Still ongoing coverage on Thai,Chinese,Arabic,French,Japanese channels here in BKK.As well as all the usual suspects.

 

[medhead]

I think being written in Arabic tells us a lot, otherwise it would be written in English if they simply wanted to point out something about a god.

Matt

Yeah it tells us the person in there might want to create an impression. You see islamic terrorist. I'm simply stating the obvious alternatives.

[/B]

Note the bolded part of the first of your quotes that I replied to.The answer yes there are facts saying this incident is related to religion.
And not your religion.

Firstly, my first post was in reply to <stuff> about past incidents raised to address the innocence lost statement were somehow supposed to disprove a religious connection. Lets not lose sight of that context. Past incidents were not raised to make a point about religion, so he did miss the point.

Secondly, refer to my reply above. All you and I know is that some one has waved a common religious text. There are no facts that say this is 100% related to religion. To say that requires you drawing a conclusion about motivation. Are you privy to that person thought process?

I also note that you continue to ignore my question. What is the significant of that phrase when it is widely used in christian churches. Do you see ducks when a christian recites those words? What about when spoken in latin? Talk about going off on a tangent just because the exact same idea is in arabic. Arabic is the language of people who do follow the same god as me.

 

[anat0l]

I'm over this siege already. If it wasn't for an Arabic flag it would be programming as normal. On the plus side, hopefully there will be some cheap flights to SYD.

The rest of the world doesn't agree with you.Still ongoing coverage on Thai,Chinese,Arabic,French,Japanese channels here in BKK.As well as all the usual suspects.

Buzzard does have a point. The mainstream media seems only very interested in what is going on by virtue of the fact that it is involving Muslims or Arabic people (that is what is suspected).

A classroom of kids gets shot up in America and we get one news story out of it from the BBC. The BBC has a live blog on this story.

It is interesting of another observation made by another person here that this story seems to serve to divide us more than to unite us, if the only consensus is that we hope anyone who is being held as a hostage is set free without injury.