Heads up about program changes

[comforttravel]

Is it on/before/prior to 27th/28th March. No it's Sat 29th March according to the T&Cs
It now says
Q: When do these changes take effect?
A: The changes are effective for travel on and from 1 July 2014. This means if you book on/after 29 March 2014, for travel on or after 1 July 2014 you will earn Qantas Points and Status credits in line with these new Airline Earning Tables.
Q: What if I've already booked?
A: If you have flights booked (booked and ticketed prior to Sat 29 Mar 2014) for travel on/after 1 July 2014, you will earn the Qantas Points and Status credits that applied at the time you made your booking. The applicable Qantas Points will be credited to your Qantas Frequent Flyer Account approximately four weeks after the dates of the flight(s) taken.

 

[shearsense]

I wonder whether I'll get an email from QF in the future about why my SC earn from over 1400 a year has dropped to under 100...

I never got one when I did that...........

 

[Archphoto]

I think QF still has a codeshare on the AY flight SIN-HEL. That's the only flight I can think of.

Thanks! Learned something new amongst all the confusion. (Notably that choice shows at the very bottom of the QF/J* earning table; would you still earn full points and SCs seeing as it's a codeshare?)

Frequent Flyer - Program - New Qantas and Jetstar Earning Table

 

[van]

I am doing BNE-SYD, SYD-LHR, LGW-AGP, AGP-LGW, LHR-HKG, HKG-SYD, SYD-BNE commencing late June and completing late July. I am WP and all legs are in business class. The domestic flights are with QF but the international are with BA and CX as the latters fares are better or QF do not fly the route. Under the new rules I think (as the mileage calculation has gone it is impossible to determine non-QF sectors) I am slightly better off in points but punished with SC's. If this is QF tactics they have lost my loyalty to OW. I will now just chase the lowest fare. In business I can access any airline partner lounge I fly on. It is sad day when an airline installs a scheme that punishes its alliance's profitable customers. If the intent is to force customers to fly QF then a better international schedule and routing structure needs to be in place. If the customer is Asia focused then this is a backward step.

 

[Archphoto]

I don't think Qantas are Asia focussed anymore; since their alliance with EK, they haven't seemed to give a toss about anyone who flies in/out of Asia regularly, and their current earning table only seems to reinforce that.

As far as QF seems to be concerned, if you fly anywhere other than the US/UK: "We don't value your business on QF; fly with J* (or one our OW partners) to that region."

 

[medhead]

Has anyone found a definition of west coast? The Qantas website only defines the north west Australia and east coast Australia regions that I can see.

Also does anyone else think it is a mistake to include Adelaide in east coast? It seems to be an extra punishment for Adelaide people to offer no viable flight options but also punish us with rubbish earning on partner airlines.

I know from experience that Qantas offers 14 hour flights via SYD/Mel to Asia for Adelaide people. Or rubbish 2am departures with emirates. When I have fearful flyers in the family these cannot win against a 7-8 hour direct flight.

 

[albatross710]

I'm a little late to this discussion but....

It's a competitive world, do people think that Virgin will retain their current earning rate when the competition has reduced their rate so aggressively?

I predict that Virgin would already have had a heads up, allow people to vent their Qantas venom and will quietly bring about some changes as soon as people have all committed into their scheme.

Just a thought that we have seen before.

Alby

 

[cmon0005]

Have a qantas flight tomorrow (already booked in advance) I certainly don't feel the same buzz going on a QF flight. I think it will be a sombre mood in the lounge tomorrow...

 

[Alanslegal]

Because I prefer to pay for a service from a company that employs large numbers of Australians, rather than large numbers of Singaporeans, Chinese, etc etc.

Hopefully you are driving a Holden Commodore, Ford Falcon or a Toyota Camry only.

 

[QF WP]

Is it on/before/prior to 27th/28th March. No it's Sat 29th March according to the T&Cs
It now says
Q: When do these changes take effect?
A: The changes are effective for travel on and from 1 July 2014. This means if you book on/after 29 March 2014, for travel on or after 1 July 2014 you will earn Qantas Points and Status credits in line with these new Airline Earning Tables.
Q: What if I've already booked?
A: If you have flights booked (booked and ticketed prior to Sat 29 Mar 2014) for travel on/after 1 July 2014, you will earn the Qantas Points and Status credits that applied at the time you made your booking. The applicable Qantas Points will be credited to your Qantas Frequent Flyer Account approximately four weeks after the dates of the flight(s) taken.

So this is now the third iteration. Which makes them look even worse. I'm liking my JASA now

 

[DaveB]

All I can say is the removal of the QF straight jacket has been liberating.
I look forward to the return of QF MK11.

 

[Kangol]

Go to the terms and conditions of the program. The text below the Qantas tables state that XPUZ will earn for ASA bookings made by June 30.

I don't know what link you are referring to but the below does not state what you claim.

Frequent Flyer - About the Program - Terms & Conditions

 

[ketsuzei]

Go to the terms and conditions of the program. The text below the Qantas tables state that XPUZ will earn for ASA bookings made by June 30.

I still can't find that, any chance you could give us a screenshot?

 

[ozkid]

Well, these changes have an immediate effect on my decision making - what do others think I should do:

just qualified 3 weeks ago for first ever Platinum status based on mix of business paid and my own travelling
300k QFF points in kitty
2014 flights already booked will get me to 1040 SC, 160 short of re-qualifying
Need to get to Perth in Feb 2015

So:
72,000 points for classic award business + $140 = drop to Gold
104,000 points for MASA booking (checked tonight) + $700 = 160points

Before yesterday would have picked option 2 = paid money to re-qualify, QF gets $, I get status, win-win

Most of my flying is internationally in J, often on OW carriers because QFi doesn't fly where I need to go - and I like flying QF. With OW Emerald it was quite useful because that was the whole point of being in an alliance. But with the SC demolition I will never reach Plat again - and maybe not even Gold beyond 2015.

So - suck it up and requalify for 2015, hang on to the dream for another 12 months, possibly drop to Gold in 2016 and then just chase the best deal of the day? I haven't looked into AAdvantage yet, but I see the old hands here beating a path to that door

 

[Archphoto]

. . . . . . Also does anyone else think it is a mistake to include Adelaide in east coast? It seems to be an extra punishment for Adelaide people to offer no viable flight options but also punish us with rubbish earning on partner airlines. I know from experience that Qantas offers 14 hour flights via SYD/Mel to Asia for Adelaide people. Or rubbish 2am departures with emirates. When I have fearful flyers in the family these cannot win against a 7-8 hour direct flight.

I agree with your sentiments, Medhead. As far as QF seem to be concerned, if you aren't based on the east coast you aren't worthy of consideration.

<<Rant On>>Last time I checked, ADL wasn't on AEST time and neither was Perth - we are SA & WA respectively and the sooner they pull their collective heads out of their a**** and realise that, the better QF may actually be.<<Rant Off>>

And now back to your normal programming . . . . . . . :mrgreen:

 

[ketsuzei]

I still can't find that, any chance you could give us a screenshot?

Sorry, found it.

 

[Kangol]

Sorry, found it.

View attachment 26681

Can you post the link to that page?

 

[trippin_the_rift]

How do you know what countries/cities fall into the new regions?
and How do you know if a flight is short/med/long for domestic? Is there a mileage base that determines which category it falls under?

For example someone mentioned Adelaide is considered South East Australia.
Is China SE Asia or NE Asia?

 

[ketsuzei]

Can you post the link to that page?

It's right at the bottom of the Terms & Conditions page, in the AIRLINE EARNING TABLE -- BOOKING CLASSES table.

 

[Archphoto]

How do you know what countries/cities fall into the new regions?
and How do you know if a flight is short/med/long for domestic? Is there a mileage base that determines which category it falls under?

For example someone mentioned Adelaide is considered South East Australia.
Is China SE Asia or NE Asia?

They'll probably ascertain where you're flying and then decide!

According to the Oxford English dictionary:

South East Asia
the part of south-eastern Asia that includes the countriesof Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Burma (Myanmar), the Philippines,
Singapore, Thailand, and Vietnam.

China |ˈtʃʌɪnə|
a country in East Asia, the third largest and most populous in the world; pop. 1,338,613,000 (est. 2009); language, Chinese (of which Mandarin is the official form); capital, Beijing. Official name People's Republic of China.

Of course, geography means nothing when it comes to QF, so it's anyone's guess . . . . .