General EV Discussion

[cove]

I am thinking range anxiety will be fixed in the next 18 months. My current hybrid vehicles at home have a range of over 700 kms. Would like to pretty much match that with an EV.

 

[elanshin]

I am thinking range anxiety will be fixed in the next 18 months. My current hybrid vehicles at home have a range of over 700 kms. Would like to pretty much match that with an EV.

Just curious, but is it really necessary for 700?

Id imagine the niche situations where going from 500-700 is needed is quite few and far in between.

 

[Quickstatus]

My current hybrid vehicles at home have a range of over 700 kms

Only because the vehicles don't have a petrol bowser at home.
But Evs you do have the equivalent - electricity.
EV = ABC = always be charging (when parked)

I think you have lots of workplace solar. Just install a few 32A 3phase AC chargers at home/work.

Then there are Tesla Superchargers, Ultrafast chargers such as AmpCharge, Evie (BP), NRMA, Jolt

 

[cove]

Well @Quickstatus i am happy to wait. Big favorable changes are coming soon to range and we need to see what changes the various governments want to charge us to replace the petrol taxes.
One of my friends in the US went for a 100 mile range vehicle and that proved to be a bit inconvenient.

 

[Dr Ralph]

Been to 21 states of the US in the last 12 months. Outside of California, EV'S are dead. I cannot see this changing. Ever. Australia is too small to go it alone.

 

[Quickstatus]

Outside of California, EV'S are dead

Not really...
Location of superchargers....



Electrify America superfast chargers

Tesla and Electrify have 75% of the market, there are others not in the map making up the other 25%

 

[Dr Ralph]

Not really...
Location of superchargers....

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Electrify America superfast chargers

Tesla and Electrify have 75% of the market, there are others not in the map making up the other 25%

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And how many gas stations are there?

150,000+.

Most popular selling car in the US?

Ford F150.

 

[Quickstatus]

And how many gas stations are there?

Most popular selling car in the US?

Basically you are looking at a legacy industry as it is now, not evidence of future consumer sentiment.
But to your point, Ev is not dead outside of California...

 

[Scarlett]

Basically you are looking at a legacy industry as it is now, not evidence of future consumer sentiment.
But to your point, Ev is not dead outside of California...

There is also the small matter of a few other forward-looking countries around the world…

 

[tgh]

I nearly threw up…...

 

[maccaisking]

We are picking up a Model Y LR next Friday, currently only have 10a sockets at home but will be adding a 30a socket in the next week or so. The most common question/comment I’ve had is ‘what if you need to do a long trip?’ My answer is ‘I’ll charge it’ or ‘I’ll take our other car.’ I don’t think people realize how infrequently they fill up their ICE vehicles or that range is comparable, but I’ll start each day (most days) with a full tank Whereas others aren’t.

 

[elanshin]

Also for thise not aware, SIXT right now has some pretty decent rental prices for EV rentals (they typically have BYD Atto3, Tesla M3 or Y) with free charging. It's definitely cheaper than equivalent sized ICE cars I've found.

If you're going away for a period and need a vehicle or even just looking to test for a day trip, this can be a good option to see if you like the vehicles for more than just a 30min test drive.

Personally I tried a Tesla Y last weekender to LST. Which came in at about $110 per day before extras.

 

[LinaLee]

This might be useful for those still thinking to make the switch:

Melbourne EV Show 2023: what you need to know | RACV

Learn about the new Melbourne EV Show and why you should attend if you’re considering an EV, or just want to learn more about an emerging technology.

www.racv.com.au

 

[Cruiser Elite]

11 unique features found in modern electric vehicles | RACV

If you’re not sure if you’re ready to transition to an EV just yet, here are just some of the things an EV can do that petrol cars simply can’t (or don’t), including ‘dog mode’.

www.racv.com.au

 

[Quickstatus]

‘what if you need to do a long trip

Yes, just charge it while sleeping
Mosat cars are left in the garage for at least 10hrs a day.

10hrs @ 10A circuit = 23kWh = 150km range added (approx)
10hrs @ 32A circuit = 73kWh = 490km range added

When I use the 3phase I can add 11kWh/hr (limit of charging rate for Tesla in Australia)
This means I can fully charge a Tesla from empty in about 7 hours while I am sleeping

In term of "fuel consumption" The Teslas are getting about 16kWh per 100km. (Or about $3.2 per 100km @20c/kwh , A 10L/100km petrol car will cost $20 per 100km)

 

[ayebee]

In term of "fuel consumption" The Teslas are getting about 16kWh per 100km. (Or about $3.2 per 100km @20c/kwh , A 10L/100km petrol car will cost $20 per 100100km

16kWh/100km sounds efficient.
Is that your measured economy or as claimed by Tesla?

 

[Quickstatus]

Is that your measured economy or as claimed by Tesla

Measured - as displayed in the energy app of the vehicle. Increases when going uphill or when high speed , reduces when going downhill or going slower
Tesla quotes a bit less.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Some may be interested in this article.

BYD Seal review: Proof that China is catching up with Tesla

Is this the most credible car yet from this Chinese car maker and moreover, is it actually better choice than a Tesla Model 3?

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[kookaburra75]

I found this article interesting too

Mercedes-Benz to use BYD Blade batteries in their EVs, according to report

Mercedes-Benz has experience in cooperation with BYD since 2010.

carnewschina.com

 

[qaz]

i'm interested in bidirectional charging/power:

The electric car that could power your home

Ford has unveiled something new that will allow me to comprehensively out-do my fellow campers - a piping hot jacuzzi (albeit a blow-up one).

www.afr.com

The most popular residential battery storage system in Australia is the Tesla Powerwall which is currently priced at $14,650 (plus installation) and provides 13.5 kilowatt-hours of energy. The Ford F150 $5500 home integration system meanwhile gives you access to 98 kilowatt-hours of battery-stored energy.​

To help put this storage in perspective the maximum amount of electricity my home in Victoria will use on a cold day in winter gets close to 30 kilowatt-hours of electricity. This is mainly for heating the home and providing hot water, but usually, I need far less electricity than this.​

In fact, if I upgraded my puny 1.4 kilowatt solar system to what is typically being installed today of 8 kilowatts – the F150, in combination with that solar system, would get me through the whole of winter without the need for any electricity from the grid.​

Of course, this is all a bit theoretical because you need to drive that car, not just leave it plugged in. And outside of winter I’ll have way more solar generation than I can consume, and use, to fill my car battery, so I want to be connected to the power grid, so I can share and sell my solar power.​

But the thing is that most people will only use a small fraction of an electric vehicle’s total battery capacity for their average daily commute. The average passenger car in Australia travels 30 kilometres per day. The F150 would use up about 10 kilowatt-hours to cover that distance leaving almost 90 per cent of the battery unused. That spare capacity could be transformative for our power grid. If you multiply out the F150 Lightning’s 9.6 kilowatts electrical export capacity by Australia’s 15 million passenger vehicles, you’ve got yourself 144 gigawatts of power.​

By comparison Australia’s entire coal fleet is about 23 gigawatts.​

How Ford F-150 Lightning Electric Pickup Can Power Your House for 10 Days

Transforming a Ford F-150 Lightning into a backup generator means you can keep the lights on during blackouts. Here’s the extra equipment you’ll need to use the EV battery to power a home.

tech.hindustantimes.com

Watch Ford F-150 Lightning's Intelligent Backup Power System Work At My Home

We demonstrate how Ford's Intelligent Backup Power system works to power a home in the event of a power outage in a complex home electrical setup.

insideevs.com

The F-150 Lightning Vehicle-to-Home: Energy When and Where You Need It! — Acterra

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www.acterra.org

V2X – what's in store for Australian consumers?

Since we wrote this blog, we have prepared a more comprehensive and up-to-date report for ARENA. You can find it here. Key points: Vehicle-to-X (V2X) refers to the ability to use an EV as a bidirectional power source. Internationally, a growing number of mass-market EV and EV supply equipment...

www.enxconsulting.au

Bidirectional chargers for EVs are finally approved in Australia, and they'll be a game changer

A new kind of charger that allows an electric vehicle to be used as a giant home battery is close to going on sale in Australia. So how does it work and is it worth the price?

www.abc.net.au

V2X.au Summary Report Opportunities and Challenges for Bidirectional Charger in Australia

This report examines both opportunities and barriers to domestic adoption of V2G technology, painting a generally positive perspective regarding limiting issues.

arena.gov.au

V3G

the next generation is here

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RAM 1500 REV to go on sale in Australia as brand’s first electric ute - Electrical connection

RAM Trucks, the American automaker owned by Stellantis, has confirmed that it will be bringing its first all-electric vehicle, the RAM 1500 REV, to Australia. Set to rival the upcoming Ford F-150 Lightning (which is still yet to be lined up for an Australian arrival), RAM’s electric pickup truck...

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Australia has all the important minerals for EV batteries. So why aren't we making them?

Most of the world's new electric vehicles contain minerals from Australia. So should we make EVs locally, and what would it take?

www.abc.net.au