General COVID-19 Vaccine Discussion

marki

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I've dealt with influenza for decades - Doctor-call has vaccinated more people against it than anyone outside the NHS. The flu is horrid, but society accepted a balance was required and restrictions weren't necessary with effective vaccines. Exactly how it should be for COVID. Let's not forget that covid IS the flu. It's literally a cold virus. You know this. You also know that suddenly separating a specific cold/flu virus for special attention was purposeful.
 

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Are there any Airlines that let you fly without being Vaccinated. I am but just curious.
QF and VA domestic flights. Probably most US airlines. Actually, probably most airlines - apart from QFi (that spings to mind), most of the Proof of Vax requirements are to enter certain countries (or you seek an exemption) rather than the airlines themselves.
 

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Who knew Australia was such a backwards place 😜
“MONTY Python might have given us the Ministry of Silly Walks but Queensland had its own Minister for Silly Walks (and Toilet Doors) in Vince Lester in the 1980s. The National Party MP earned the title through his liking for walking backwards for up to five hours at a time, all for the good cause of charity, mind you. More eccentric, however, was his long-running crusade to have toilet doors in public buildings open outwards instead of inwards. His reasoning - if someone had a heart attack on the job, it was almost impossible to get to them if the dunny door opened inwards. Vince had graphically demonstrated this himself at a press conference in his office bathroom, lying prostrate on the floor with his legs emerging from the cubicle. Cabinet eventually endorsed his position. (NB: at time of publication it was not known how many Queenslanders have had heart attacks in toilets in public buildings).”

ref: https://www.couriermail.com.au/news...e/news-story/7a620ef9bfc2d09a693a29321f43fe45
 

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“MONTY Python might have given us the Ministry of Silly Walks but Queensland had its own Minister for Silly Walks (and Toilet Doors) in Vince Lester in the 1980s. The National Party MP earned the title through his liking for walking backwards for up to five hours at a time, all for the good cause of charity, mind you. More eccentric, however, was his long-running crusade to have toilet doors in public buildings open outwards instead of inwards. His reasoning - if someone had a heart attack on the job, it was almost impossible to get to them if the dunny door opened inwards. Vince had graphically demonstrated this himself at a press conference in his office bathroom, lying prostrate on the floor with his legs emerging from the cubicle. Cabinet eventually endorsed his position. (NB: at time of publication it was not known how many Queenslanders have had heart attacks in toilets in public buildings).”

ref: https://www.couriermail.com.au/news...e/news-story/7a620ef9bfc2d09a693a29321f43fe45
Much as it pains me to say anything nice about a National Party MP but I always thought that he had a good idea. And his crusade was eventually succesful. It is now part of Australian Building Codes that a toilet door must either open outwards, slide or be able to be lifted off the hinges unless there is sufficient room between the pan and the door to allow it to be opened inwards in an emergency.
 

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“MONTY Python might have given us the Ministry of Silly Walks but Queensland had its own Minister for Silly Walks (and Toilet Doors) in Vince Lester in the 1980s. The National Party MP earned the title through his liking for walking backwards for up to five hours at a time, all for the good cause of charity, mind you. More eccentric, however, was his long-running crusade to have toilet doors in public buildings open outwards instead of inwards. His reasoning - if someone had a heart attack on the job, it was almost impossible to get to them if the dunny door opened inwards. Vince had graphically demonstrated this himself at a press conference in his office bathroom, lying prostrate on the floor with his legs emerging from the cubicle. Cabinet eventually endorsed his position. (NB: at time of publication it was not known how many Queenslanders have had heart attacks in toilets in public buildings).”

ref: https://www.couriermail.com.au/news...e/news-story/7a620ef9bfc2d09a693a29321f43fe45
Back when I was a young Consultant back in the Hunter Valley we had a 60 year old woman who had an arrest in the toilet. She fell between the door and the dunny. If the cubicle had a door that opened outwards it is very possible she would have survived. So the idea was not stupid.
 

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Met 2 people in the past 10 days who are still recovering from long COVID, both seem reasonably fit, a drug for dealing with long COVID can’t come soon enough.
An Australian company Pharmaust and their drug Monepantel are looking promising. Already done preclinical work at WEHI in Melbourne and it's been described as remarkable. Human trials this year which is pointing not only to a treatment for COVID infection, but also to treat long COVID too. So fingers crossed..
 
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Met 2 people in the past 10 days who are still recovering from long COVID, both seem reasonably fit, a drug for dealing with long COVID can’t come soon enough.
Approaching three months of this I wholeheartedly agree!
An Australian company Pharmaust and their drug Monepantel are looking promising. Already done preclinical work at WEHI in Melbourne and it's been described as remarkable. Human trials this year which is pointing not only to a treatment for COVID infection, but also to treat long COVID too. So fingers crossed..
Might ask my GP about this. Thanks.
 

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A couple of years ago when working in Launceston I heard a talk on the non specific effects of vaccines. Not surprising as the head of LGH infectious diseases is part of a multinational group that study this subject. this is an article discussing this.


It is not surprising that some members have looked at Covid vaccines to see if they are a factor in the results. The findings raise some concerns and recommended further studies which I don't think have occurred. They looked at the RCTs of the vaccine trial. There were large numbers. 74000 in the mRNA trials and 122000 in the adenovirus trials. What they found is concerning.

With the mRNA vaccines there is no overall reduction in mortality rates despite a large effect on covid mortality. The RR compared to control was 1.03.
The situation with the adenovirus trials was a marked reduction in mortality with an RR of 0.37. There was a marked reduction in Cardiovascular deaths which did not occur with mRNA vaccines.


This really should be looked at in any further vaccine trials.

PS sorry serfty even though my download could be uploaded by the attach files I couldn't insert it.
But I did find a lancet preprint and you can download the pdf from there.
 

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I've had 2 Pfizer vaccinations and Moderna booster. Due for another booster in 2 weeks and think I'll try for Moderna.

Fingers crossed no Covid here yet.
 

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I have had 2 x AZ, 1x Pfizer and 1x Moderna. I wanted the temporary boost to protection against catching COVID from the fourth shot.
 

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By the way I've also had huge issues with general infections including chicken pox almost killing me 10 years ago.

Fast forward to Covid. There is no way I going to rely on my immune system taking care of things without vaccination. No need to prove to anyone that I can be brave.

Booster in 2 weeks.
 

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I have had 2 x AZ, 1x Pfizer and 1x Moderna. I wanted the temporary boost to protection against catching COVID from the fourth shot.
This was my mix. And when I tested positive from Covid last Saturday (returning from UK) I was completely surprised. I had no symptoms at all. And 7 days post, still none. I was negative by Wednesday. MrP had AZ, AZ, Pfizer Pfizer and he tested positive the week before. He had mild flu symptoms but he knew he had it.
 
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