Gaping security issue with immigration into Australia

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OK, noticed on a recent JQ35 SYD MEL a huge security hole in Australian Immigration. This is my hypothetical situation based on my observations at MEL Immigration.

As we know, if using a international repositioning leg such as JQ35 (It could be any airline so not a JQ/QF bash), an orange D sticker on your boarding pass, signed while sighted by the check in agent is required to be shown first while exiting through immigration, then again on return into the country.

Keep this in mind.

munitalPs hypothetical situation.

Kcin Bin Laden - an unknow terrorist who wants to conduct activity in Australia needs a way to enter the country without raising suspicion. Donning western looking clothing - a pair of Levis, a shirt and runners, he has a shave, gets a haircut then he boards a flight from Kabul to Singapore to Denpasar on whichever passport he wants. Singapore wont care - he's in transit, and it will be simple to find a sympathiser in Denpasar to overlook the dodgy passport.

Kcin then boards the Jetstar flight from Denpasar into Sydney. On arrival into Sydney, again in transit, he shaves. cleans up, knocks back a few beers (although against the religion, he needs to build a picture), smears some Neil Perry pesto down the front of his shirt. Another beer, ensuring he spills some down his shirt to enhance the sensual disguise.

So far so good as he has been a transit PAX only and not aroused the suspicions of anyone. He wanders over to the JQ service desk announcing he has lost his boarding pass. They reissue his BP - he now has an Australian issued on Australian stock BP. Plans going well so far...

He boards JQ35 to Melbourne.

On arriving in MEL, he joins the D line (having disposed of all identifiers he may have been carrying up till now including passports etc), when getting to the D immigration, he hands them the BP and says to the immigration officer - "Oh, JQ issued a new BP in SYD with no D sticker"

Immigration let him through unquestioned with only a flash of his VIC drivers license.

He's now in Australia.

Think this couldn't happen?

munitalP
 
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Kcin must have an honest face. His brother Nodrog Bin Laden may not get away with it.:cool:
 
Kcin must have an honest face. His brother Nodrog Bin Laden may not get away with it.:cool:

In this particular case, Nodrog Bin Laden had an official D, but Werd Bin Laden and Kcin Bin Laden walzed through!
 
Immigration let him through unquestioned with only a flash of his VIC drivers license.

He's now in Australia.

Think this couldn't happen?

munitalP

I flew BNE-SYD on QF8 and customs forgot to stamp the orange D sticker on leaving BNE... It caused all sorts of problems at immi for me coming into SYD.
I expect that JQ would be very careful about issuing a BP with a D sticker esp on the int side of an airport.

A "lost" BP when a known terrorist was on the plane would raise a lot of alarm bells. It would be easier to send a recruiter here and recruit local people than attempting to get knowns into the country.
 
When Mr Immigration officer. (Lets call him Ian Foot)

When Kcin Bin Laden approaches Ian at the D immigration desk, and says "Im a Domestic Pax, blah blah blah." Ian is meant to check Jetstar's records on his computer to make sure he did board at Sydney. If he looks on there and it say that Kcin boarded in Denspar, I can imagine he would be pulled aside for further questioning.

Would that stop him? Or am I forgetting something...

Liam.
 
I can tell you from experience that if you dont have the Orange D on your BP that you do get a bit of the 3rd degree, need to explain why you dont have the Orange D, prove who you are etc..

Happened in Jan this year :) for those that remember, i wont be making the same mistake later this month...
 
Has a work associate travelling BNE to MEL on an evening POM connector.

He had this strange habit of tearing up his BP and leaving it in the Seat pocket. He did this on that flight - took over an hour to get through immigration. It did not help that he had quite the long lunch that day before getting to the airport. :-|
 
I dont know about all the hypotheticals in all this but I am fowarding this to the AFP and Anti - Terrorist people as we sleep. Seems one or two AFFers have got some onterests that could be of some concern to the authorities. Get ready for a knock on your door and a 3 year incarceration at Guantinimo Bay or as we know it, Perth.
 
I can tell you from experience that if you dont have the Orange D on your BP that you do get a bit of the 3rd degree, need to explain why you dont have the Orange D, prove who you are etc..

Happened in Jan this year :) for those that remember, i wont be making the same mistake later this month...

Oh, was that you?

I heard about that, just wasn't sure who it was :p
 
Yep, the originals were thrown out when the table was cleaned of some papers (didn't realise till later) replacements were made but they didn't put the D on them..There was someone that ripped theirs up into the fine thread, I didn't get to see it as I was delayed in passing customs..
 
I dont know about all the hypotheticals in all this but I am fowarding this to the AFP and Anti - Terrorist people as we sleep. Seems one or two AFFers have got some onterests that could be of some concern to the authorities. Get ready for a knock on your door and a 3 year incarceration at Guantinimo Bay or as we know it, Perth.

Nogrod has already been banished to the western suburbs of Sydney :cool::shock::mrgreen:
 
Immigration let him through unquestioned with only a flash of his VIC drivers license.

I must have missed this part of the backstory, where his cousin Atoyot Bin Laden procured the above from his employment at VicRoads.
 
Think this couldn't happen?

munitalP

There are hundreds of ways an 'unknown' terrorist could get into the country. The way you have described has too many ways it could go wrong though. Plenty of simpler ways to enter (especially if he has contacts in Indonesia/ PNG).

Such as, how about a tourist visa?
 
There are hundreds of ways an 'unknown' terrorist could get into the country. The way you have described has too many ways it could go wrong though. Plenty of simpler ways to enter (especially if he has contacts in Indonesia/ PNG).

Such as, how about a tourist visa?

A doctored aussie passport would be better... Providing that the doctoring was good it would raise far less avenues for questions than a tourist visa would...
Also thanks to smart gate a person could enter the country without saying 2 words to a customs official, although biometrics might make things a little difficult, but not impossible.
 
If I perceive a gaping hole in Australian immigration security, should I report it to the appropriate authorities, or post on the internet a step by step guide on how to exploit it:?:
 
If I perceive a gaping hole in Australian immigration security, should I report it to the appropriate authorities, or post on the internet a step by step guide on how to exploit it:?:

Cute idea, but which 'appropriate authorities'? I can just imagine the conversation between you and the man on the front desk at CBP where you try to explain the gaping hole!

Post away. Security by obscurity is no security at all.
 
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Cute idea, but which 'appropriate authorities'? I can just imagine the conversation between you and the man on the front desk at CBP where you try to explain the gaping hole!

Post away. Security by obscurity is no security at all.

Isn't there a phone number where you can report anything you think is a safety or security threat?

Australian National Security - Home

1800 123 400 (Sad, I know that off by heart)
 
Wouldn't immigration check with the airline to see where the pax journey started? While it may look like a gaping hole in security, I would suspect it's well and truly plugged.


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There are hundreds of ways an 'unknown' terrorist could get into the country. The way you have described has too many ways it could go wrong though. Plenty of simpler ways to enter (especially if he has contacts in Indonesia/ PNG).

Such as, how about a tourist visa?

I agree.

Even coming here for a 2 or 3 week holiday and stay for 6 months in a 'safe house' somewhere. Chances of customs catching you, pretty slim.
 
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