Fuel surcharges continue to rise!

Discussion in 'Open Discussion' started by JohnK, May 10, 2006.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Welcome to Australia's leading independent Frequent Flyer and Travel Resource!
Our site contains tons of information that will improve your travel experience.
Joining AFF is fast, simple & ABSOLUTELY FREE -  join now by clicking on the JOIN NOW button, and take immediate advantage of these great BENEFITS.
Once registered, this box will disappear. And you will see fewer advertisements :)
  1. JohnK

    JohnK Veteran Member

    Mar 22, 2005
    39,981
    8,538
    BNE, SYD and CNX
    SQ are proposing an increase to fuel surcharges by upto US$10 from May 15th. I wish airlines would just accept that higher fuel costs are here to stay and absorb them into the price of airfares.

     

  2. Kiwi Flyer

    Kiwi Flyer Senior Member

    Sep 24, 2004
    5,453
    4
    Its hard to keep up with all the fuel surcharges and ticket service levies.
     
  3. serfty

    Moderator

    Nov 16, 2004
    39,054
    7,704
    MEL
    Flight Map:
    View my flight map
    Try a QF WHY Award MEL-HKG-MEL, 60K points + T/L/C. (An that aint Tender Loving Care. :x )

    Last week the TLC's were AUD220.02, this week AUD266.02. :roll:
     
  4. Yada Yada

    Yada Yada Established Member

    Dec 6, 2004
    1,872
    7
    1F
    I doubt that they will ever go away. The airlines now have a way of getting cash out of their FF's whenever an award is redeemed. :(
     
  5. NM

    NM
    Moderator

    Aug 27, 2004
    15,760
    1,211
    Flight Map:
    View my flight map
    Unfortunately very true. And they also have a free revenue stream when they sell you a ticket operated by another carrier! The issuing airline keeps the YQ revenue and does not pass it on to the operating airline. So on my up-coming DONE4, QF collects $98 for each "international" sector, even ones like the BA service LHR-FRA! That is probably more revenue than BA will get from their portion of the fare :roll: . Can someone explain to me how QF incurs higher fuel bills on that LHR-FRA segment?
     
  6. Kiwi Flyer

    Kiwi Flyer Senior Member

    Sep 24, 2004
    5,453
    4
    A simple trans-tasman is not that much lower in so called taxes.
     
  7. serfty

    Moderator

    Nov 16, 2004
    39,054
    7,704
    MEL
    Flight Map:
    View my flight map
    Yep, MEL-AKL-MEL... last week $176.32, this week $196.58 :evil: .

    What's happeing is that using points for short flights (< 5 hours) is becoming very wasteful.

    You can get MEL/AKL fares for $133 (+TLC) eachway, generally on the same flights the awards are available; this equates 16,000 points to that $133.
     
  8. NM

    NM
    Moderator

    Aug 27, 2004
    15,760
    1,211
    Flight Map:
    View my flight map
    Indeed. I have now come to the conclusion that my QF points will only be used for upgrades from now on, and I will use AA miles for any flight redmeptions. Flights will not credit to AA, while CC spend is likely to remain flowing to QF for the upgrades. At least I have LTG to retain lounge access in the LOTFAP and some waitlist priority for the QF upgrades. However, it would be a much tougher choice without the QF LTG status behind me.

    This policy of charging fuel fines on reward tickets is continuing to undermine the value of the QF FF points.
     
  9. NM

    NM
    Moderator

    Aug 27, 2004
    15,760
    1,211
    Flight Map:
    View my flight map
    I must correct my incorrect information here. QF will collect US$19 for the fuel fine for Europen flights, including my LHR-FRA, and not the $98+6 that I had previously posted. Better, but still the revenue remains with QF and I fail to see how QF needs to collect a fuel surcharge for a sector in which they do not incur any fuel costs.
     
  10. Yada Yada

    Yada Yada Established Member

    Dec 6, 2004
    1,872
    7
    1F
    It's just wrong for them to be gouging like this. It's similar to freight forwarders who invent all manner of surcharges (e.g."container imbalance fee") that eventually become permanent fixtures. :evil:
     
  11. Kiwi Flyer

    Kiwi Flyer Senior Member

    Sep 24, 2004
    5,453
    4
    It's even more ridiculous in reverse. Fares as low as NZ$99 +++ each way. I am too lazy to look up the +++ but imagine it is roughly A$197 converted to NZ ie quite a bit more than the fare, and this doesn't even include the NZ$25 departure tax.
     
  12. JohnK

    JohnK Veteran Member

    Mar 22, 2005
    39,981
    8,538
    BNE, SYD and CNX
    I am trying to book a QF WHY award SYD-SIN on Dec 27 and most routings are via woop woop so the only viable routing for 30,000 points becomes SYD-PER-SIN. Anyone care to explain how they can justify $194.77 in taxes and charges for this one way trip!

    I think I will need to look for creative ways of getting there. Like a BA WT+ special leaving September SYD-SIN and returning early Jan SIN-SYD and then purchasing an el cheapo ticket in Singapore leaving early October SIN-SYD and returning Dec 27 SYD-SIN.
     
  13. Hi there

    Tried to get MEL-SIN one way and all I could get was MEL-SYD-CNS-SIN.
    Taxes & Fines $220.98 :roll:

    SIN-HEL-LHR-HEL-SIN only cost S$880 + S$143 tax

    Cheers
    DJ737
     
  14. serfty

    Moderator

    Nov 16, 2004
    39,054
    7,704
    MEL
    Flight Map:
    View my flight map
    IMO there's no justifiaction other than profiterring...

    FWIW, there's a $98 fuel levy PER-SIN and $31 FOR SYD-PER.

    More here: Fuel and Insurance Surcharge (YQ Tax)
     
  15. NM

    NM
    Moderator

    Aug 27, 2004
    15,760
    1,211
    Flight Map:
    View my flight map
    The YQ component is actually $104 now when you add in the "insurance" levy as well.

    Why do I get the feeling that the QF on-line award flight search engine is tweaked to find connecting flighst rather than non-stop flights, thus increasing the Fuel Fine revenue?

    Same thing happened a few months back when I booked BNE-PER-BNE awards - the only route available for weeks was with connections in ADL, SYD, MEL, CNS etc. Nothing non-stop. Perhaps I should have looked for awards SYD-PER-SYD or MEL-PER-MEL to see if they were offerred via BNE :roll: .
     
  16. serfty

    Moderator

    Nov 16, 2004
    39,054
    7,704
    MEL
    Flight Map:
    View my flight map
    IMO that's just Qantas trying to fudge the issue; they quote International YQ as $104 which is the $98 fuel + $6 Insurance Surcharges and Domestic as $37.60 which is $31 fuel and $6.60 Ins. (note the 60¢ GST).
    I generally use the "Multiple Destinations" option when I am searching awards on line. This seems to get around any issue with this.
     
  17. JohnK

    JohnK Veteran Member

    Mar 22, 2005
    39,981
    8,538
    BNE, SYD and CNX
    That is QF's clever way of making extra money from you using your points.

    Which carrier(s)? AY only? Or is BA included? I don't understand the tax component you mention for such a long trip.

    I have been looking at booking from Singapore flying around Dec/Jan for the following routes, SIN-SYD-SIN is only S$800 + S$331 tax, SIN-BNE-SYD-BNE-SIN is only S$800 + S$384 tax, SIN-CNS-SYD-CNS-SIN is only S$720 + S$407 tax.

    You can see the significance of the tax component. In the final case it is more than half the fare!
     
  18. JohnK

    JohnK Veteran Member

    Mar 22, 2005
    39,981
    8,538
    BNE, SYD and CNX
    True, but does not make us feel any better.

    In my opinion this is where the stupidity stars to shine! International vs Domestic! SYD-PER is 2,041 miles whereas PER-SIN is 2,420 miles. The distances almost the same yet the fuel levy is more than 3 times for the international sector. I suspect this is the reason why the QF codeshare on the short AY flight SIN-BKK-SIN is about double the cost of the actual AY flight.

    I use the "Multiple Destinations" option almost always when searching for award flights. But to be fair to QF I was looking for flight on Dec 26/27 so I didn't really expect a direct flight to be available.
     
  19. dajop

    dajop Senior Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    8,606
    1,746
    SIN
    Flight Map:
    View my flight map
    Try the latest sale SIN-DRW-SIN $348 + $323 in taxes. Taxes are almost the same as the fare, common place domestically but not internationally.
     
  20. Kiwi Flyer

    Kiwi Flyer Senior Member

    Sep 24, 2004
    5,453
    4
    My latest QF ticket - fare $150, "taxes" $194.27 for total $347.27 :x
     
Loading...

Share This Page