Four Corners tonight - "QF32"

[LiamR]

Youtube ??

Four Corners - QF32

On the left - Not far off youtube. Has all the full interviews and more!

 

[straitman]

Oh I totally understand that pilots with more experience are in general better/safer. This point could have been made without the reference to "low hours" = crash for sure. I mean if it's true that a First Officer with any less experience would have meant a crash in this situation then what are we supposed to think about the chances of an ordinary three-person crew? This First Officer's experience was "stretched to the limit" (or words to that effect) when he had two check captains looking over his shoulder! If that's true then I'm never flying domestic ever again - all those planes only have two pilots!

I maintain that it was a cheap shot.

Having known the captain and the two check captains earlier in their flying careers I have to say they are not that type of people. This is all to do with CRM and getting the aircraft back on the ground. It has nothing to do with people's egos.

If this type of catastropic failure occured on a two engine domestic aircraft it would probably be irrelevent whether you had two or twenty two pilots on the flight deck :!:

We'll have to agree to disagree on the comments.

 

[Flying Fox]

Yes, very interesting viewing.

Thanks for posting.

 

[bigjobs]

ThE show mentioned a coded msg to cabin crew from coughpit about the fast landing that would take place.

Whats that coded msg?

 

[LiamR]

ThE show mentioned a coded msg to cabin crew from coughpit about the fast landing that would take place.

Whats that coded msg?

Could be anything.....

I wonder if we really want to know what they meant... Then we would know whats really going on.

 

[FuzzyAUS]

Fantastic reporting, WELL worth watching.. Thanks for the link and that i could see it after it had already gone to air.

Thanks
Fuzz

 

[thewinchester]

I think the best line of the whole piece was right at the end, where the Check Captain in training repeated a comment said to him as his son was being prepared for some shoulder surgery:

My son went in for an operation recently, and the doctor said they're going to give him the rolls royce treatment. I said no thanks.

Sums it up really.

 

[Kendall Roy]

Re: QF32 388 - emergency landing in SIN after Engine failure

Its only a matter of time until "somebody" uploads it...

YouTube - QF32 Four Corners investigative journalism piece A380 engine failure

 

[admin]

This is ABC at its best - Well researched, great production, compelling viewing.

There was one thing which surprised me: Alan Joyce made the comment that the first he heard of the incident was when he was advised that the Qantas share price was in free fall.

I would have imagined that the CEO of Qantas would be briefed of major safety incidents before share price fluctuations. Hope this is not indicitive of where Qantas management are placing their priorities?!

 

[reductionist]

This is very un-ABC-like:

Last night's show did appear to be very critical of Rolls Royce. I've just been watching the extended interviews and Captain Richard De Crespigny actually gives credit to them for the fact that the remaining engines degraded but were still operational.

It's surprising that ABC didn't include this comment in the show to give it a bit more balance. Otherwise I'd say again, this is well worth watching, including the extended interviews.

 

[oz_mark]

This is ABC at its best - Well researched, great production, compelling viewing.

There was one thing which surprised me: Alan Joyce made the comment that the first he heard of the incident was when he was advised that the Qantas share price was in free fall.

I would have imagined that the CEO of Qantas would be briefed of major safety incidents before share price fluctuations. Hope this is not indicitive of where Qantas management are placing their priorities?!

I think it is just indicative of the speed at which social media works. The speed at which events unfolded on Twitter etc. were faster than the internal communications machine within Qantas could work.

 

[Kendall Roy]

This is very un-ABC-like:

Last night's show did appear to be very critical of Rolls Royce.

Loved the comment from Capt. Evans about the doc offering his son the "Rolls Royce Treatment" (shoulder surgery) and Evans responding with "No thanks!"

 

[yohy?!]

Good program, very well paced and recreated.

The calibre of the pilots was as high as expected - hopefully the current industrial issues around pay do not lead many to jump ship.

Seems a little hypocritical for AJ to be lauding QF pilot skills on one hand whilst simultaneously trying to screw down their pay and conditions with the other.

 

[markis10]

This is ABC at its best - Well researched, great production, compelling viewing.

There was one thing which surprised me: Alan Joyce made the comment that the first he heard of the incident was when he was advised that the Qantas share price was in free fall.

I would have imagined that the CEO of Qantas would be briefed of major safety incidents before share price fluctuations. Hope this is not indicitive of where Qantas management are placing their priorities?!

Would you ring the boss when you know you dont have the answers to the questions he is going to ask, not me ? I doubt there was much value Allan could have added at that time to the situation.

The sharemarket is very good at assessing situations like this quickly and often overreacting, but the core intelligence behind it is often good, for instance back in the days of the Challenger Shuttle disaster, you could say the sharemarket nailed the cause very quickly, with a significant drop in value of the contractors shares that ultimately was seen to be the main cause of the disaster. You could say sharemarket analysts are just intelligence agents looking at commercial companies for a living, they are certainly going to have a better take on a situation than a journo who has been following the company for 5 seconds before the next news story breaks.

 

[dk4]

Last night's show did appear to be very critical of Rolls Royce.

This is ABC at its best - Well researched, great production, compelling viewing.

QF couldn't have hoped for a better advertorial, even if they had scripted it themselves.

 

[BAM1748]

Excellent to see QANTAS allowing employees to speak direct to the media. Not many companies let that happen and like him or hate him, backs up Alan Joyce's comment about open communication.

 

[jukebox333]

ThE show mentioned a coded msg to cabin crew from coughpit about the fast landing that would take place.

Whats that coded msg?

"..would Ralph Finnes please make his way back to his seat immediately..."

But seriously... I thought the comment was that the CC needed to be ready to deploy the emergency slides for an evacuation, in which case it may have been something subtle about not disarming doors and cross checking, as is usually done once a flight is on the ground?

 

[TheInsider]

I'm not too sure what the signal would be, but i assume it would be the dings, that played over the PA system, like when the call button is pushed. Also like after take-off when the cabin-crew start moving about while the seat-belt sign is still on.

 

[Smackbum]

I think it is just indicative of the speed at which social media works. The speed at which events unfolded on Twitter etc. were faster than the internal communications machine within Qantas could work.

They were also wrong - the Twitter Twits started the story that the plane had crashed (which was initially parroted by the more pathetic news agencies), hence the dumping of shares. Probably cost the speculators a heap, which is fine by me, but of course if the guys who run my Super are on cocaine I may have taken a loss as well, which is not so fine.

How come all that Twitter has done is drag everything down to the level of a gossip magazine? Why do we encourage it??

Anyway - to get back on topic. I didn't think that the 4 Corners piece was that much better the the 42 Minutes piece. Sure there was a little less hype and a little more detail, but the only bit of new information was explaining why there was such an experienced crew on the flight deck. As Rolls Royce wouldn't appear all they could do was rehash the ATSB initial findings about the cracked stub pipe being the probable cause, and the fact that RR was actively replacing it as part of an upgrade to that area of the engine.

I was hoping for some whistleblower or smoking gun that would indicate that RR knew it to be a potentially serious problem, but decided not to tell their customers or order extra inspections of the area. Now that would be a scoop!

 

[oz_mark]

They were also wrong - the Twitter Twits started the story that the plane had crashed (which was initially parroted by the more pathetic news agencies), hence the dumping of shares. Probably cost the speculators a heap, which is fine by me, but of course if the guys who run my Super are on cocaine I may have taken a loss as well, which is not so fine.

The stories may have been unture, but the reports of the crash were based on parts being found on Batam. The nature of the Twitters was that the news could get out, and embellished, faster that the official communication lines. I really don't find it surprising that AJ did not immediately know about that.

I was hoping for some whistleblower or smoking gun that would indicate that RR knew it to be a potentially serious problem, but decided not to tell their customers or order extra inspections of the area. Now that would be a scoop!

I know we have to wait for the final report, but, at this point, I don't believe that anyone knew about the problem with the stub pipe.