Depressurisation event at MEL today?

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NoNews and poor reporting is getting pretty old in my books.

The Australian Press Council, in their statement of Principles states:
http://www.presscouncil.org.au/pcsite/complaints/sop.html
Publications should take reasonable steps to ensure reports are accurate, fair and balanced. They should not deliberately mislead or misinform readers either by omission or commission.

Where it is established that a serious inaccuracy has been published, a publication should promptly correct the error, giving the correction due prominence.

Where individuals or groups are a major focus of news reports or commentary, the publication should ensure fairness and balance in the original article. Failing that, it should provide a reasonable and swift opportunity for a balancing response in an appropriate section of the publication.

I can't see how News Ltd is actually following that guideline in their reporting of Qantas incidents.

All the guff aside, the event itself would have been a concern to many passengers, but it doesn't need to glorified "I'M GOING TO DIE" type headline.
 
I think noNews are now using this: The Lazy Journalists Plane Story Generator

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Actually what is entertaining is reading some of the comments from readers. It seems most are sick of the QF bashing!

What about this gem on NoNews.com.au

NoNews.com.au said:
Former frequent flyer of QLD Posted at 12:26 PM Today
Another incident involving QF. I don't fly them any more due to the ageing aircraft and consistently extremely poor service. Could we change the picture to a B737 instead of a B747 before those QF sycophants at a certain Australian frequent flyer group write five pages bagging news.com.au for picking on their beloved airline and getting the picture wrong.​

 
If the de-pressurisation was caused by a failed air-conditioner then the passengers were never in any danger. It seems the pilots followed standard operating procedures correctly.

The times that a cabin de-pressurisation is dangerous is when there is a hole in the aircraft that has let the pressurised air escape rapidly. Failed pressure bulkheads can be very nasty and have resulted in aircraft losses in the past. However, I suggest that the most common cause of oxy mask deployment and cabin de-pressurisation is either failure of air-conditioning units, out-flow valve or cabin pressure control system - all of which may result in oxy mask deployment and controlled (but rather rapid) decent to 10,000 feet.
 
Why is No News using a photo of a QF747? Are they stupid?


Shhh. They're onto you:
Former frequent flyer of QLD Posted at 12:26 PM Today
Another incident involving QF. I don't fly them any more due to the ageing aircraft and consistently extremely poor service. Could we change the picture to a B737 instead of a B747 before those QF sycophants at a certain Australian frequent flyer group write five pages bagging news.com.au for picking on their beloved airline and getting the picture wrong.
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Read more: Qantas plane drops 26,000 feet during Melbourne-bound flight | News.com.au

What a tard.

Nice to see that people are in general over the bashing. General feel of the comments is that they would rather fly QF and have this happen than fly a 3rd world airline and have it happen, and one person bought up the off-shore maintenance issue, to be slammed as well.
 
those QF sycophants at a certain Australian frequent flyer group
Well there you go,sorry admin looks like you will have to change the name of the site to "QF sycophants.com.au " :!::mrgreen:
 
Well there you go,sorry admin looks like you will have to change the name of the site to "QF sycophants.com.au " :!::mrgreen:

From the dictionary:

sycophant |ˈsikəfənt; -ˌfant|
noun
a person who acts obsequiously toward someone in order to gain advantage; a servile flatterer.

Last time I checked, no amount of a$$ kissing to QF got me anything ;)
 
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While not wanting to defend the media, I have learnt to not be too pernickety while reading stories on the web. Still, this was a newsworthy event. Unfortunately, the rush to get stories out on the Internet seems to have come at the cost of accuracy in the first cuts of the story.

News.com.au said:
QF sycophants

Hmm is that sycophant as in the 'brown nose' sense of the word, or as in the 'parasite' sense of the word. Hard to tell on this board :mrgreen:
 
Aviation Herald notes 8 cabin pressure incidents so far in January and 10 during December, so that is around one every 3 days reported around the world. So its a reasonably common incident. Note that Qantas also had a cabin pressure incident on an A330 near Sydney on January 1st. Most seem to be detected during climb as a failure to pressurise, so no oxy mask deployment and no rapid decent to 10,000 feet as they don't pass 10,000 feet in the first place.
 
Pressurisation 101.

The pressurisation and air conditioning systems are basically the same system.

More air is pumped in than leaks out. Aircraft are not the perfect pressure vessels that some think they are. Turn the pressurisation off at altitude, and close all the valves, and the cabin pressure will drop fairly quickly. At a guess...about five hundred to two thousand feet per minute.

Outflow valves control the amount of pressurisation. Basically they are little more than a hatch that opens to the outside. If they open they let more air out, closed less. Aircraft have various numbers of these valves. An A380 has 4, a 747 has two, and 767 has one. I'd expect the 737 would also use one.

A pack is the air con/pressurisation unit itself. Again the numbers vary. A380 has four, 747 three, and 767 and 737 have two. Failure of an individual unit has little effect, and is allowed within the MELs, although with the twin installations that may include an altitude restriction (something around FL350 or so).

Ok, so what can go wrong with pressurisation? Well, the most spectacular, and least likely, is some sort of hull rupture. In that case you are looking at cabin rates of climb in the order of 60,000 feet per minute. This is extremely rare.

Most commonly a pack will fail. In itself this will have no effect, as the other(s) will just work a bit harder. The crew may need to descend slightly (only in aircraft with only two packs), though this should not be noticeable in the cabin. There is no urgency to this. A fairly common event.

Controller failure. Normally the system will just switch/be switched to an alternate controller, with no further action required. The ultimate failure mode here is manual control, which is quite adequate. PITA for the crew though.

So, the most likely reason that you'll need to descend to 10,000 feet. Well I'd suggest the loss of both packs. Now, this won't be a one pack fails, followed by the other scenario, but rather a dispatch under the MEL, and then a failure of the good pack in flight. You then have no pressurisation, and need to get to 10,000 feet. Is there any danger? No, none at all (unless you do a Helios, and stay up there). The aircraft will slowly lose cabin altitude during the descent (because it isn't a leak proof vessel), and you may get to 10,000 feet before the masks auto deploy. But, if you are at an altitude that gives you a high cabin already, you may only have (say) 5,000 feet of cabin altitude before auto deployment. Couple that with an aircraft that leaks rapidly, or a descent that is delayed by procedures/traffic, then you may end up with the masks deploying, even though they really aren't needed.
 
Thanks jb747 for the explanation.

Still not in a hurry to try it out though :)
 
Shhh. They're onto you

Except that VH-VXA as per the photo now is a 738 - not a 734.

Too pedantic? :D

(and yes, thanks jb747 for the interesting explanation)
 
Except that VH-VXA as per the photo now is a 738 - not a 734.

Too pedantic? :D

(and yes, thanks jb747 for the interesting explanation)

That'll keep one of the commenters happy. According to them, Qantas should replace all their 'classic' 737-400's with 'new 737-800's with winglets'.

Cause apparently winglets must only be on new aircraft not 727's or old ones ;)

The internet. Allowing uninformed individuals to attempt to incite fear, panic and mis-knowledge into other uninformed individuals since 1990*
* I know it was earlier than the 1990's but it became more prevalent then to said 'individuals' ;)
 
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"exciting" status credit run

Had an exciting status credit run today... Needed 15 lousy SCs to regain Plat+partner gold by end Jan with next bus trip not scheduled to Feb.

Took qf670 ADL-MEL. Which had both primary and secondary air conditioners fail causing rapid drop in pressure, out came the oxygen masks and we dropped down to 10k ft. A bit nerve wracking !!

I'm just at QP now about to return on qf689 having done a few hours productive work in melb office.

Interesting side observation, the "prepare for emergency" recording that was played on loop must have been recorded many years ago...it advised passengers to extinguish cigarettes!!


John B
"trying to do the right thing and get my missus back up to gold"
 
I was on this flight. Doubling up a status credit run with a few melba meetings!

Thanks for the detailed explanation above. This is consistent with how the captain described the event.

Approaching cruising altitude the primary unit failed, so they dropped down a little. Then the second unit failed and they had to descend rapidly. It was not a drop but a rapid dive with oxygen masks dropped. This did concern some folk, but it felt like the aircraft was in complete control the whole time.

Praise to the captain. He came out on landing and reassured folk/ answered questions. The cabin crew were a little absent, during event they were invisible and once we got to 10000ft, seemed spooked but did the walk to check for panicked passengers.

John
 
Re: "exciting" status credit run

Had an exciting status credit run today... Needed 15 lousy SCs to regain Plat+partner gold by end Jan with next bus trip not scheduled to Feb.
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Wouldn't you be annoyed if it happened just out of Adelaide, and you were denied the status credits as you hadn't arrived in Melbourne!!! :!:
 
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