Daylight Savings..

[straitman]

Besides too b***** hot in afternoon and we dont have twilight up here.

Still the same temperature just one hour later.

Now anti-daylight saving so we put our clocks back an hour when the rest of you come off daylight saving so we get an extra hours morning sunlight in winter?At least then no problems with timetables we would always be an hour behind.

.... or 20 years and one hour.

At least no one has mentioned the cows getting confused and the curtains fading faster :!:

 

[pomjim]

As a pom who has lived in Oz for over 25 years now, I can tell you there are two things I dislike intensly about Australia.

One is the lack of daylight saving here in Queensland. The fact that it is dark throughout the year by 7.00, whilst it is light at 4.30 in the morning drives me mad!

A waste of daylight is all it is, not too mention being out of sync with Sydny/Melbourne.

 

[oz_mark]

Still the same temperature just one hour later.

.... or 20 years and one hour.

At least no one has mentioned the cows getting confused and the curtains fading faster :!:

Hmm, I wonder if any of the anti-daylight saving people have actually ever used these arguments. I have only ever heard the pro-daylight saving people use them as a way of trying to argue that the anti-daylight saving people are simpletons.

 

[straitman]

Hmm, I wonder if any of the anti-daylight saving people have actually ever used these arguments. I have only ever heard the pro-daylight saving people use them as a way of trying to argue that the anti-daylight saving people are simpletons.

I've read some of them in the paper so it must be true!

 

[oz_mark]

I've read some of them in the paper so it must be true!

In the current debate over DS here in Perth, these arguments haven't been trotted out, but I expect they will be in due course.

 

[drron]

Still the same temperature just one hour later.

.... or 20 years and one hour.

At least no one has mentioned the cows getting confused and the curtains fading faster :!:

Of course it is the same temperature one hour later.You obviously did not understand my post.The only time of day it is pleasant exercising outdoors is early in the morning.It is just too hot late in the day.I know it is hard for the mexicans to understand but the maximum temperature for the day here in summer is often reached at 9am and only starts dropping when the sun goes down.It is not like Melbourne where the maximum temperature lasts for about 3 minutes in the mid afternoon.
Maybe the arguments would be more rational if we all admitted that we are either for or against daylight savings for purely selfish reasons.I like being out early in the morning and daylight savings would lessen my time for outdoor exercise.Others are obviously not morning people.You do miss a lot though.

 

[Dave Noble]

Of course it is the same temperature one hour later.You obviously did not understand my post.The only time of day it is pleasant exercising outdoors is early in the morning.It is just too hot late in the day.I know it is hard for the mexicans to understand but the maximum temperature for the day here in summer is often reached at 9am and only starts dropping when the sun goes down.It is not like Melbourne where the maximum temperature lasts for about 3 minutes in the mid afternoon.
Maybe the arguments would be more rational if we all admitted that we are either for or against daylight savings for purely selfish reasons.I like being out early in the morning and daylight savings would lessen my time for outdoor exercise.Others are obviously not morning people.You do miss a lot though.

I like daylight saving. even if wanting to exercise before 9am ( well 10 if you had DST ) , having sunrise at 5am ( as it was yesterday ) is less useful I feel than having daylight later . Sunrise has now moved to 6am and sunset is now 19:20 rather than 18:20.

Few people are up at 5am I suggest whilst a lot of people are up at 19:00 so more use of daylight can be made methunks. It is also 1 hour less per day when most people would be needing to use lights at home , so it may reduce the electricity usage .

The further north one goes towards the equator the less relevent it is imo... e.g. in Darwin there is only 12.5 hours of light at the moment and sunrise isnt until 06:15 currently so not much "wasted" daylight

Dave

 

[JohnK]

It is normal for Tasmania to start DST at the beginning of october rather than this being an exception. I would be all for NSW bringing it forward to beginning of october in line with it

I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong but if I remember correctly daylight saving from next year will start first week of October and end last week of March.

 

[Dave Noble]

I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong but if I remember correctly daylight saving from next year will start first week of October and end last week of March.

It is indeed the correct dates for Tasmania, but there is no change that I am aware of for NSW . From Lawlink (Daylight Saving in New South Wales - Community Relations : Lawlink NSW ) , DST starts on 28/10 in 2007 . I have seen nothing regarding VIC/SA

Dave

 

[JohnK]

At least no one has mentioned the cows getting confused and the curtains fading faster :!:

No but my rainbow lorikeets and peach faces were bitterly complaining to me today. Only one day into daylight saving and they are concerned that their feeding and sleeping patterns will be severely disrupted during the next 5 months.

 

[oz_mark]

I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong but if I remember correctly daylight saving from next year will start first week of October and end last week of March.

The current transition rules I have for the beginning of DST in 2007 are:

6 Oct 2007 DST starts:
02:00 -> 03:00 Places:Auckland (New Zealand), Wellington (New Zealand), Christchurch (New Zealand)
02:45 -> 03:45 Places:Chatham Island (New Zealand)
02:00 -> 03:00 Places:Hobart (Australia - Tasmania)

27 Oct 2007 DST starts:
02:00 -> 02:30 Places:Lord Howe Island (Australia - Lord Howe Island)
02:00 -> 03:00 Places:Sydney (Australia - New South Wales), Melbourne (Australia - Victoria), Canberra (Australia - Australian Capital Territory)
02:00 -> 03:00 Places:Adelaide (Australia - South Australia)

 

[JohnK]

Qld support growing for daylight saving.

More than half of all Queenslanders favour daylight saving, a poll has found.

Support for daylight saving in the state was growing, with 54 per cent of Queenslanders in favour of turning the clocks forward an hour in summer, the poll published in The Sunday Mail showed.

The newspaper said a similar poll conducted last year found 47 per cent support for daylight saving.

A statewide referendum in 1992 registered 45 per cent support.

More...

 

[Dave Noble]

27 Oct 2007 DST starts:
02:00 -> 02:30 Places:Lord Howe Island (Australia - Lord Howe Island)
02:00 -> 03:00 Places:Sydney (Australia - New South Wales), Melbourne (Australia - Victoria), Canberra (Australia - Australian Capital Territory)
02:00 -> 03:00 Places:Adelaide (Australia - South Australia)

This doesn't seem correct since 27 Oct 2007 is a saturday and the day of week transition has been sunday

Dave

 

[oz_mark]

This doesn't seem correct since 27 Oct 2007 is a saturday and the day of week transition has been sunday

Dave

Oops, my bad.

The transitions I have specify the UTC time, so Sydney is 27 Oct, 2007, 16:00 UTC. I converted the times to local time, but neglected to adjust the date. They should be 7 Oct and 28 Oct local time.

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong but if I remember correctly daylight saving from next year will start first week of October and end last week of March.

Assuming by week you mean Sunday, those are the dates used in NZ (has been for some time).

 

[drron]

I like daylight saving. even if wanting to exercise before 9am ( well 10 if you had DST ) , having sunrise at 5am ( as it was yesterday ) is less useful I feel than having daylight later . Sunrise has now moved to 6am and sunset is now 19:20 rather than 18:20.

Few people are up at 5am I suggest whilst a lot of people are up at 19:00 so more use of daylight can be made methunks. It is also 1 hour less per day when most people would be needing to use lights at home , so it may reduce the electricity usage .

The further north one goes towards the equator the less relevent it is imo... e.g. in Darwin there is only 12.5 hours of light at the moment and sunrise isnt until 06:15 currently so not much "wasted" daylight

Dave

Well Dave at Beerwah golf club on the 27th October I was on the first tee at 5am.8 others had hit off before me.As I keep saying up here it is also a question of heat not just daylight.

 

[Dave Noble]

Well Dave at Beerwah golf club on the 27th October I was on the first tee at 5am.8 others had hit off before me.As I keep saying up here it is also a question of heat not just daylight.

to be fair, I don't think that that shows a general sample; in general , are there a lot of people up at 5am? I have often been off to go diving at that time and can find several other people on the same boat, but I wouldnt class that as a typical sample set of people and that most people are probably still zzzzzz ing at that time

There may be arguments for an against DST and depending on the geographic location the arguments may have more or less validity. I do think that it would be useful if southern queensland had DST since there is a lot of commerce between Sydney and Brisbane and being on the same timezone makes for easier business .

Dave

 

[NM]

I live in Qld and just work to the hours that suit me. In summer I am often up and working very early as it is the convenient time to do my work and gives me good timezone overlap with the people with whom I need to communicate. In winter I tend to find that overlap late at night.

I really don't care what time the clock says. I just do the things I do (work, leisure etc) when its convenient to do so.

I would be happy to change to Daylight Saving timezone in Qld, but I also have no problems with the status quo.

The biggest thing I like about not have daylight savings in Queensland is being able to use the confused cows and fading curtain arguments with Mexicans. They are always good for stirring the pot :mrgreen: .

 

[Yada Yada]

In the current debate over DS here in Perth, these arguments haven't been trotted out, but I expect they will be in due course.

I heard some the other day! I was listening to a report on ABC radio's PM program regarding the MP in WA who is trying to promote daylight savings again. The local ABC radio station in WA took some calls and they were played on the report. It was pretty funny.

One woman said..."that's an extra hour for the locusts to eat all our crops."

I kid you not. (details here...)

On a related subject, I just noticed that Virgin Blue's Happy Hour (12pm-1pm) stays on Queensland time. I guess that makes sense but for some reason I assumed it would follow the majority and move with daylight savings. How Sydney-centric of me. :mrgreen:

I do think it is time than Qld joined the rest of the country on daylight savings. I'm looking at DJ schedules for a trip later this week. SYD-BNE is a 25 mins trip while BNE-SYD is 2½ hours. :shock: I hate getting home later. :-|

 

[serfty]

Had a situation during the Sydney Olympics when VIC & NSW, but not SA went to Daylight saving early.

Flight from MEL-ADL were scheduled to land 5 minutes before they departed. This caused some software I had to deal with to assume the flight time was 23:55.