Coral Expeditions blots it's copybook

[tgh]

Cancellation of a major cruise will be very disruptive for the company and I suggest there may be more to the story.
Perhaps an onboard crew hr breakdown or perhaps the repair carried out in Cairns has failed.
The copy book may end up like blotting paper….

 

[Pushka]

Cancellation of a major cruise will be very disruptive for the company and I suggest there may be more to the story.
Perhaps an onboard crew hr breakdown or perhaps the repair carried out in Cairns has failed.
The copy book may end up like blotting paper….

The Australian ran an article today. Maritime officials are meeting the ship when it arrives in Darwin on Sunday. No mention of cancellation of the cruise but they will meet I expect with many crew and passengers who interacted with the lady prior to her death. That will take some time. Coroners report obviously needed and that too involves similar interviews.

 

[RooFlyer]

Cancellation of a major cruise will be very disruptive for the company and I suggest there may be more to the story.

You don’t think a police investigation over a death possibly involving company negligence isn’t enough to cancel the cruise?

I don’t think police would be satisfied at waiting for the end of the cruise for the convenience of passengers and company. As well as many people to be interviewed while the incident is as fresh as possible in peoples minds, there will be system checks i.e. the scanning mechanisms etc. which will be evidence in the investigation.

I’m only surprised that the police didn’t order the termination of the cruise as soon as details of the incident became apparent to them.

 

[Pushka]

I’m only surprised that the police didn’t order the termination of the cruise as soon as details of the incident became apparent to them.

had they not been so remote at the minimum the ship would have been delayed while all interviews and investigations were done. By the time they get to Darwin everyone will have talked and this is exactly what police investigators dislike as it messes with reality.

 

[tgh]

I am puzzled by the criminality being considered above.. even if the ship was negligent that, in itself, does not presuppose guilt
It worth revisiting the passage contracts that we all agree to… here is a relevant clip from Coral Expeditions std contract

 

[Bundy Bear]

I know on cruise ships its your responsibility to get back on the boat, so when does it become the ships responsibility to check you are back on the boat.
Also looking at the track its a 4.2km each way with 331metres elevation so it isn't an easy track to walk.
Boat is Coral Adventurer, Coral Expeditions I think own 2 vessels.

 

[oz_mark]

I am puzzled by the criminality being considered above.. even if the ship was negligent that, in itself, does not presuppose guilt
It worth revisiting the passage contracts that we all agree to… here is a relevant clip from Coral Expeditions std contract

As far as I am aware, while police are assisting AMSA, they are treating it as a 'sudden, non-suspicous' death.

 

[RooFlyer]

I am puzzled by the criminality being considered above.. even if the ship was negligent that, in itself, does not presuppose guilt

I don’t see why you should be puzzled. ‘Possibly involving company negligence’ was mentioned by me. Where was the concept of criminology or guilt mentioned, other than by yourself?

And do you think that the conditions of contract mitigates the at least duty of care to make sure it everyone is back on board before sailing off from a remote location?

Not a scenario that would ever happen:
Ha! Says Coral. They’re not on board but they’ve agreed to the contract. Let’s go!

so when does it become the ships responsibility to check you are back on the boat.

It is always the ship‘s responsibility to make sure that passengers who are taken off or walk off the ship are back on board again before any consideration of moving on is made.

This is a especially so in case like this where the passengers are taken off the ship by the ship’s Zodiacs.

But even with a mega vessel in a port they don’t just depart on the schedule. There are always checks made to see if people are all on board and people are knowingly left behind only in extreme circumstances.

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[QF WP]

Channel 7 News:

 

[Pushka]

I am puzzled by the criminality being considered above.. even if the ship was negligent that, in itself, does not presuppose guilt
It worth revisiting the passage contracts that we all agree to… here is a relevant clip from Coral Expeditions std contract

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A coronial investigation must occur with any sudden death. It didn't happen at sea so local police require an interview of all people who had contact with the lady prior and likely even during the cruise. Plus everyone involved in every operational process. Only then can any conclusion be made as to guilt or negligence or even criminality on behalf of anyone involved. All of these interviews and investigations are presented to a Coronial Court and the Judge makes their determinations. This doesn't seem criminal. But certainly likely very negligent and blame may even lay with the Captain.n there is also a criminally negligent category of offence.

The ship crew didn't notice her absence until at sea. Ships are always aware of absence before casting off and they may choose to sail anyway. But this didn't happen here as they didn't know. Even on the most basic ships (eg Croatia cruise of 35 people) the passenger board list was checked before departing. It was a simple whiteboard and marker.

 

[tgh]

Story just updated on the Australian :
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[mel-world]

Coral Expeditions has a 3 boat fleet with a maximum pax number of 120.
We've done 3 cruises with them. They have always signed you off and back on after every excursion so something went very wrong here.
The demographic is generally older with some frail passengers from experience. The fitness level is very varied. On my cruises, they have always had a 'tail gunner' who had a radio and remains with the last walker. But often a person will say they are returning to the beach and will wait for the tender back to the boat.
Not an excuse but sometimes it's like herding cats. Not sure why they would have departed though.
Cruise Mapper shows them just west of Thursday Island currently.