[Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26] was 10April

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Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

I sent in a complaint to QF about the removal of ASA's from the web here is the response, rather interesting I must say!!


Dear ReLoad

Thank you for taking the time to write to us.

We understand the importance of your complaint and the inconvenience caused.

Your feedback has been forwarded to our websupport team

Qantas welcomes and appreciates all customer feedback and comments, which are used to continuously improve our products and services.

Our global phone support team is available 24/7 for your convenience on 13 13 13 so booking this type of Any Seat booking is not limited to business hours

Regards

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Interesting in what way - the stock standard template [insert dept name here] or do you feel it was really personalised and you feel your concerns ARE important to QF.

Very intriguing that their response about 24/7 and the general number use which doesn't marry against the information in the email (dedicated 1300 number, business hours only). Confusion reigns and somebody is wrong - a training issue??
 
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Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

I sent an email complaining about the changes. This is the response I received (my bolding)

Book 'em while you can folks ...

Dear Mr ...,

Thank you for taking the time to provide feedback on our online Award booking changes.

The new search function removes the need for three separate entry points for commercial (retail) fares, Qantas & Jetstar Any Seat Awards, and Qantas & Partner Classic Awards. All three booking types can now commence through the one single search panel, with the exception of Classic Award seats purchased as an Any Seat Award.

These Award bookings are available by calling 1300 366 587 (+61 2 8222 2430 from outside Australia) between the hours of 0900 and 1700 AEST Monday to Friday. The consultants will be happy to help.

The Award Assistance Fee will be waived for these bookings, and the booking channel will remain available while the future of these Awards is under review.

Commercial fares for sale on qantas.com are available as an Any Seat Award using a combination of cash and points or paying entirely with points.

We continually review the delivery of our redemption products, including Classic Award seats purchased as Any Seat Awards, and no decision has been made on the future of this product.

If you'd like to know more, please visit qantas.com/frequentflyer or call The Qantas Club and Frequent Flyer Service Centre on 13 11 31 (8.00am to 7.00pm AEST/AEDT Monday to Friday). If calling from overseas visit qantas.com/contactfrequentflyer or call +61 (2) 9433 2329.

Kind Regards,
 
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Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

Welcome back awilcockson :D. Nice to see you were keeping up with the goings on during your hiatus.

You could have similarly highlighted:

We continually review the delivery of our redemption products, including Classic Award seats purchased as Any Seat Awards, and no decision has been made on the future of this product.
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

I sent an email complaining about the changes. This is the response I received (my bolding)

Book 'em while you can folks ...

WB!

That sure is a disappointing response.
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

Interesting in what way - the stock standard template [insert dept name here] or do you feel it was really personalised and you feel your concerns ARE important to QF.

Very intriguing that their response about 24/7 and the general number use which doesn't marry against the information in the email (dedicated 1300 number, business hours only). Confusion reigns and somebody is wrong - a training issue??

thats why it is interesting :)
 
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Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

thats why it is interesting :)

And why many of us regard the MASA, phone booking issue and so on a complete shemozzle. Way to run a business!
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

Welcome back awilcockson :D. Nice to see you were keeping up with the goings on during your hiatus.

You could have similarly highlighted:

We continually review the delivery of our redemption products, including Classic Award seats purchased as Any Seat Awards, and no decision has been made on the future of this product.

Thanks ;)

I think the bit I bolded was more telling, I can't see them lasting long ... Why would you go to the effort of removing them from the booking engine and adding a convoluted phone based booking requirement if you weren't eventually going to remove them. I can see it now "due to the lack of interest in booking these fares, they have been removed" when we all know they are popular but now ridiculously difficult to book.
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

Most of the Mods and admin have met Red Roo (IIRC) and have been involved in various QF events, so yes we have a good relationship (both the Mods and the AFF members - who have been involved in the two Rockpool events and others like Tweet & Greet, etc). Whilst we can ask, I doubt that QF & Red Roo will be able to arrange as you request RooFlyer. Their responses are as you state - if they know the answer without having to refer, they post. If not, they contact the relevant person/department within QF and then filter the response through to the respective thread when received. We can only moderate answers in terms of the T&C's and cannot force QF/Red Roo to answer any post, or in any specific way - any more than you can.

I certainly think they know the response from the AFF community on the changes (and proposed changes) through comments on this and other threads, so we can only continue to voice our concerns here and via direct contact with QF Management (and the online Customer Care forms etc) to be able to ensure that our voices are heard. Only then can we hope to have our opinion matter in the decision making process.

Thanks for the reply. I won't bang on about it, but would just make the points:

* It would be a forum for QF to directly and relevantly interact with the AFF members on this current issue, as Red Roo has been almost entirely absent since the recent announcement and many genuine, direct queries to Red Roo have not been answered (at least in the forum);

* It would not so much getting the message across to QF, but for them to directly address unanswered concerns;

* Concept was for a more senior RR than usual to be behind the keyboard so that the cynical amongst us can have more faith in the answers. Ideally a management person, not the PR spinner; this helps QF's cause I think;

* Obviously there will be 'sorry can't go there' replies, and we'd just have to accept that;

* I certainly wasn't suggesting that QFs replies be moderated - but the AFF members who (myself included) might get a bit excitable and cheese the senior Red Roo off.
 
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Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

I sent in a complaint to Qantas Care in relation to both the new website and the removal of the ASA flights. I was surprised that I received a prompt and considered response and advice that they will credit 5,000 ff points to my account - noting that "This gesture is to reflect our sincere apologies and thank you for bringing these experiences to our attention." Well done Qantas - you are back in my good books.
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

Thanks for the reply. I won't bang on about it, but would just make the points:

* It would be a forum for QF to directly and relevantly interact with the AFF members on this current issue, as Red Roo has been almost entirely absent since the recent announcement and many genuine, direct queries to Red Roo have not been answered (at least in the forum);.


What makes you say that Red Roo has been absent?? They have been reading here every day, just because there is not an answer forthcoming and there is no requirement for one to be forthcoming does not make the matter one that is ignored. And thats if they are logged in, for instance:

There are currently 25 users browsing this thread. (12 members and 13 guests), some of those guests may have QF IPs.
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

or give Qantas actual $ and then be rewarded for your loyalty

I'm sure the shareholders believe that the profit reported in the annual report for QFF is in actual $.
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

I sent in a complaint to Qantas Care in relation to both the new website and the removal of the ASA flights. I was surprised that I received a prompt and considered response and advice that they will credit 5,000 ff points to my account - noting that "This gesture is to reflect our sincere apologies and thank you for bringing these experiences to our attention." Well done Qantas - you are back in my good books.

Wow. Just wow. More power to you, but great to see them rewarding a Gold whilst fobbing off a P1.
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

Thanks for the reply. I won't bang on about it, but would just make the points:

* It would be a forum for QF to directly and relevantly interact with the AFF members on this current issue, as Red Roo has been almost entirely absent since the recent announcement and many genuine, direct queries to Red Roo have not been answered (at least in the forum);

* It would not so much getting the message across to QF, but for them to directly address unanswered concerns;

* Concept was for a more senior RR than usual to be behind the keyboard so that the cynical amongst us can have more faith in the answers. Ideally a management person, not the PR spinner; this helps QF's cause I think;

* Obviously there will be 'sorry can't go there' replies, and we'd just have to accept that;

* I certainly wasn't suggesting that QFs replies be moderated - but the AFF members who (myself included) might get a bit excitable and cheese the senior Red Roo off.

i doubt there are actually ANY genuine questions which AFFers have that cannot be answered by the expertise on this board. this was evidenced the other day by the qf rep completely unable to understand a question being asked, or to provide a response other than the reservations number (serfty answered it in two seconds).

we managed perfectly fine (if not better) before the qf rep came along, and we will continue to do so. we now have a much better understanding of the limitations of the company rep and that they really aren't here to deal with strategic issues.

i indicated some time ago qf should dedicate a single senior rep to AFF. that is PR 101 when you are using an advisory panel such as AFF that has the ability to influence potential customers.

given AFFers do help out others in their travel plans, some of whom have high value spend, it would be in QF's interests to have a appropriate rep.

they have chosen against this in spite of every single 'best practise' rule screaming at them to do so. qantas is probably unique in this aspect. even if you think AFF is an annoyance, you still dedicate an appropriate resource that can identify issues, see trends, and address those trends before they escalate. this is not happening with the rep on AFF.

for an experienced resource it would be a walk in the park to manage the negative press that comes out of AFF. you could do it in 20 seconds flat.

again, my comments are peer-to-peer. I appreciate some of you think they are 'too text book', but as I have said, that 'text book' exists for a very good reason! :)

as for moderating any questions that go to a senior red roo? that's ridiculous. any company should be able to answer the questions of their customers without getting cheesed off or finding it 'too hard'. qf gains a lot if information from reading AFF... the tricks of the trade, the short-cuts, and a whole lot of discussion and feed back on what their competitors are doing. spending a little time to answer questions is not a huge obligation in return.
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

A few weeks ago, I lodged feedback to QF regarding this issue.

I have not had a reply. As a WP, I find this rather disappointing. Surely they would have checked my account and seen that I am a very loyal FF of QF. Oh Well!!! :oops:

I then send a long email, via Virgins online feedback form. I discussed what QF had done with the ASA's (I am sure they know) and explained that their are a large amount of disgruntled QF frequent flyers, that would jump tomorrow, if VA offered ASA near or around the same value as what QF previously did. I also stated that they would come over in droves if a status match was offered. If some marketing guru in VA wants to make a name for themselves, the timing could not be any better.
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

And why many of us regard the MASA, phone booking issue and so on a complete shemozzle. Way to run a business!


Not a shemozzle if you were to take the view that it had been designed that way.

Weaning off slowly "under review"; "dedicated 9-5pm phone number"

Then stop it altogether with everyone being herded to the P+P option and/or Classic Rewards.

Enjoy while it lasts IMHO.
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

WB!

That sure is a disappointing response.

Agreed. When I send an email complaining that having to call a number M-F 9-5 to do something I could do online up to now, and getting the response that "you can still book these by calling a number M-F 9-5" tends to indicate that my initial complaint wasn't really understood ..
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

I am not sure what responses people expected... You were only ever going to get a standard response, thanks for the feedback and now that I have read it, the case is closed
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

Perhaps MASA's will be available forever......perhaps we need a secret password or handshake :D

For some reason, when reading this thread, I keep thinking about that controversial Lilly Allen song a few years ago....hmmm ;)
 
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