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Caught out by YVR lounge layout.

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clod

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I'm sitting here in the Vancouver Canucks Cafe in Terminal E of YVR, disappointed that the QFF benefits Web page didn't specify that access to the associated lounge was only if your flight left Terminal D. Stuck with two complaining hungry kids and dipping into credit cards to keep them alive until SFO. :(

Just had to vent.
 

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I'm guessing you're on the WestJet(WS) codeshare to SFO to connect to QF?

I presume the QF lounge benefits guide refers to the QF operated services that are still seasonal which probably is part of the confusion.
 

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No, it was United metal with a QF codeshare.
 

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So am I right in thinking OP would have no entitlement to a Lounge either through Qantas or United?
Awfully long flight duration also. :(
 

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The only way the OP could get lounge access on the UA flight was if they had Star Alliance status (and I don't think UA Gold+ status would be enough for transborder, except when accessing a Maple Leaf Lounge-which I have done just a few months back)

but yeah that's an oops, but definitely explains the confusion.

btw if there was a QF operated lounge one could, in theory, argue a later flight that day was on QF metal and should be allowed access, possibly even would work at an OW lounge if one had either Class of Service or OW Status entry entitlement, but probably not if presenting a UA BP for the next flight.
 

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btw if there was a QF operated lounge one could, in theory, argue a later flight that day was on QF metal and should be allowed access, possibly even would work at an OW lounge if one had either Class of Service or OW Status entry entitlement, but probably not if presenting a UA BP for the next flight.

Yep, I have the OW status to get into the YVR lounge and the subsequent flight was Qantas, but with the terminal layout it was only possible to look at the entry of the Terminal D lounge through two sheets of glass. :(

The lounge dragon was adamant that the lounge in Terminal E was not included in the agreement.
 

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Yes mannej, I oopsed. The Westjet flight into YVR was a codeshare. The United one out wasn't. Shiftwork fatigue strikes again. Sorry for wasting everyones time.
No, no waste at all.

This is a great resource to learn the nuances of travel in a hope to make things easier the next time. Safe flight home.
 

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Off topic a little. Did the United flights include checked baggage? Qf sales wanted to sell me a similar itinerary recently and said checked baggage would be included since it was part of an international itinerary.

I am sceptical that a Unites US domestic flight booked through Qantas would include any baggage.
 
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btw if there was a QF operated lounge one could, in theory, argue a later flight that day was on QF metal and should be allowed access, possibly even would work at an OW lounge if one had either Class of Service or OW Status entry entitlement, but probably not if presenting a UA BP for the next flight.
Not sure about this! OW rules provide for connecting on OW carriers.
 

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Off topic a little. Did the United flights include checked baggage? Qf sales wanted to sell me a similar itinerary recently and said checked baggage would be included since it was part of an international itinerary.

I am sceptical that a Unites US domestic flight booked through Qantas would include any baggage.
Interesting question and good point. While I would not trust QF Sales on non QF/partner airline stuff like this I would suggest that it's not JUST a UA domestic (or in this instance, a transborder) flight but an international connection as part of an international itin as in connecting to/from QF.

In this instance I think the international allowance would apply.
It would likely also depend on the fare bucket QF booked into for the UA sector, or rather the specific fare conditions as to what would be included.

The ticketing agent (QF) isn't the issue, it's the specific fare offered (as the UA/QF routing would be a published fare - some of the QF Canada/US/Mexico destination fares include provision for flights operated by carriers ike WS/AC/UA/AA/AS and AM off the top of my head). I'd say interline rules would apply

Of course how a check in agent at someplace like YVR may handle all this is another issue entirely. I would probably wan to have some sort of evidence of the allowance per the fare on hand.

The one bonus is that none of these fares would book into a "Basic Economy" fare type which would be major no bueno.
 

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Not sure about this! OW rules provide for connecting on OW carriers.
Some of the rules seem a bit fluid. I remember nering the AA T4 lounge a couple of years ago (before QF F was an option) and 2 aussies were being declined because, from what I could gather, they were trying to access for a domestic AA sector a few days after they flew into LAX on QF. I recall the agent saying something like "It would be OK if it was within 24 hours" - of course that's still going to be a OW connectiion so I see your point.

Some lounges/airlines have (or had, anyway) a "Onward international flight *that day*" would allow access. I know certainly I've used that one for UA at EWR when connecting at LAX to an international sector (but true, a UA-UA online connection).

I'd absolutely agree with you that fronting up to say a CX lounge at YVR with a QF BP for LAX-SYD would probably get you nowhere though, but a slim chance would be better than none (assuming of course one had access to an appropriate lounge from wherever one's departing flight was, which as the OP noted wasn't even an option in this instance).
 
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Some of the rules seem a bit fluid. I remember nering the AA T4 lounge a couple of years ago (before QF F was an option) and 2 aussies were being declined because, from what I could gather, they were trying to access for a domestic AA sector a few days after they flew into LAX on QF. I recall the agent saying something like "It would be OK if it was within 24 hours" - of course that's still going to be a OW connectiion so I see your point.

Some lounges/airlines have (or had, anyway) a "Onward international flight *that day*" would allow access. I know certainly I've used that one for UA at EWR when connecting at LAX to an international sector (but true, a UA-UA online connection).

I'd absolutely agree with you that fronting up to say a CX lounge at YVR with a QF BP for LAX-SYD would probably get you nowhere though, but a slim chance would be better than none (assuming of course one had access to an appropriate lounge from wherever one's departing flight was, which as the OP noted wasn't even an option in this instance).
yes. What you have described is consistent with either connections between (a) the same airline or (b) within an alliance.

UA will allow lounge access before a domestic flight if there is an international flight on the itinerary (as will QF for example). Oneworld has a general policy providing for lounge access connecting to or from a long-haul.

But presenting a United BP for access to a QF lounge, even if you had a QF flight later that day, would be outside the rules. If a passenger was flying MEL-SYD-AKL QF/QF, they'd get QF access in MEL and SYD. If a passenger was flying VA/QF, no QF lounge access in MEL.
 

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Off topic a little. Did the United flights include checked baggage? Qf sales wanted to sell me a similar itinerary recently and said checked baggage would be included since it was part of an international itinerary.

I am sceptical that a Unites US domestic flight booked through Qantas would include any baggage.
If the UA flight is ticketed as part of a QF international ticket and the ticket is to/from the US or CA, then yes the UA flight will include baggage as per QF's baggage rules. Stopping over or not enroute doesn't change the situation either.
 

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But presenting a United BP for access to a QF lounge, even if you had a QF flight later that day, would be outside the rules. If a passenger was flying MEL-SYD-AKL QF/QF, they'd get QF access in MEL and SYD. If a passenger was flying VA/QF, no QF lounge access in MEL.
I absolutely agree with this. of course.

I had suggested the idea of fronting at, say, the CX lounge (I assume there is one!! :) ) at YVR, not showing the UA BP for the *next* flight, but the QF BP (or evidence of the flight) for later that day (eg: SFO or LAX-SYD). Obviously the CX lounge wouldn't accept a UA boarding pass, and a UA oir AC lounge at YVR (in this example) would not accept a QF BP for any flight.

but the reality is that short of having status or a lounge pass appropriate for the UA YVR-SFO flight, the OP would ave been out of luck even if flying F on QF. I absolutely agree with that.
 
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