Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[drron]

Blacks in the US have other reasons to mistrust vaccines. Hank Aarons had the vaccine on TV and died a few days later. He did it to persuade blacks to have the vaccine.Didn't quite go the way intended.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Blacks in the US have other reasons to mistrust vaccines. Hank Aarons had the vaccine on TV and died a few days later. He did it to persuade blacks to have the vaccine.Didn't quite go the way intended.

True his death was timed unfortunately. However Tuskegee is cited wide and far in the US, very well known in the communities who were victims.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Mark McGowan has found another angle for himself and Anna. They are now saying the federal government should support industries that are being impacted by the international border closure due to lack of tourists.

 

[RooFlyer]

Well, if we are talking about states ...



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[Pushka]

Well, if we are talking about states ...

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I think it means you need to up your contribution to repatriating Australians

 

[Tiki]

The smartest thing Anna could do to help tourism is a voucher scheme like Victoria. I think it is something like you pay $400, get reimbursed $200? This would encourage people to actively look for local small tourism businesses to visit, and then get (hopefully good) reviews on Trip Advisor to attract more customers. I seriously doubt people will come from interstate when they are afraid of borders slamming shut. That came back to bite her in a big way.

 

[Must...Fly!]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1355032929068478464

Wonder what this will be

EDIT: How embarrassing, it's just some 3 minute long "it's been a year" video. This stuff wouldn't be out of place in....ah never mind

 

[RooFlyer]

I think it means you need to up your contribution to repatriating Australians

Sorted. We've outsourced our share to Victoria, and in return are looking after about 3 x the number of their Pacific Islander seasonal workers.

 

[oz_mark]

Mark McGowan has found another angle for himself and Anna. They are now saying the federal government should support industries that are being impacted by the international border closure due to lack of tourists.

I thought they had said their tourism industries were going gangbusters....

 

[Must...Fly!]

WA set to reopen border to QLD

WA is on track to resume quarantine-free travel from Queensland next week, according to Premier Mark McGowan.

www.google.com

No word on Victoria

Seriously?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

WA set to reopen border to QLD

WA is on track to resume quarantine-free travel from Queensland next week, according to Premier Mark McGowan.

www.google.com

No word on Victoria

Seriously?

Does seem a little odd as by Monday Vic will almost be at 28 days since the last local community case.

Still WA tourism going gangbusters evidently.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Does seem a little odd as by Monday Vic will almost be at 28 days since the last local community case.

Still WA tourism going gangbusters evidently.

Playing by their own rules again. It's extremely frustrating.

 

[Lynda2475]

McGowan obviously thinks he will do better politically to keep Vic out, he made some crazy claims in his presser yesterday trying to look relevant on the east coast.

He ranted about how NSW wanted all mining and hardware stores shut down, but WA fought to keep open. Funny given NSW has never closed hardware stores only paused the Bunnings sausage sizzle briefly (yes well aware Bunnings is WA owned), and NSW has been open for all essential business always (even when Vic border was closed), mining industry is smaller here and not so dependent on FIFO, but it never ceased operating for Covid.

Then some bizarre claim about financially supporting NSW i nearly choked. WA mining revenue may be contributing to company income tax, but those mines couldnt operate without FIFO and NSW keeps far less GST revenue than it collects. WA is far more dependent on east coast for food supply.

 

[antycbr]

McGowan obviously thinks he will do better politically to keep Vic out, he made some crazy claims in his presser yesterday trying to look relevant on the east coast.

He ranted about how NSW wanted all mining and hardware stores shut down, but WA fought to keep open. Funny given NSW has never closed hardware stores only paused the Bunnings sausage sizzle briefly (yes well aware Bunnings is WA owned), and NSW has been open for all essential business always (even when Vic border was closed), mining industry is smaller here and not so dependent on FIFO, but it never ceased operating for Covid.

Then some bizarre claim about financially supporting NSW i nearly choked. WA mining revenue may be contributing to company income tax, but those mines couldnt operate without FIFO and NSW keeps far less GST revenue than it collects. WA is far more dependent on east coast for food supply.

Let’s not talk about the amount of income tax which is paid by NSW residents.

I wish the airlines well dealing with this sort of logic.

 

[Must...Fly!]

With the election coming, a closed border has never been more critical to McGowans chances of re-election.

This narrative would not be out of place in Belarus.

Why is our constitution allowed to be stamped on by elected officials.

Another zero case day for Victoria

 

[jb747]

I thought they had said their tourism industries were going gangbusters....

Full of holidaying Qld politicians.

I actually have a caravan park booking in Qld for a couple of months from now. I would not have made it if they had wanted any dollars down. At this point I could go there (though the Victorian situation at the moment is extremely confusing), but I still have my doubts. I guess that if I can get back to NSW, which is unlikely to shut the regional Qld border without some reasonable notice, then at least I'll be able to get to within 5km of home.

I wonder if much of the travelling market place is basically traumatised by all of this, and will not book anything. Spur of the moment might be the plan of the future.

 

[RAM]

Paranoia at its best. the whole of sydney covid situation is will under control. the system has shown it works time and time again.

apart from one uncontrolled outbreak, due to lax HQ, rest of them have been quickly controlled by all states concerned.

we must stop this fear mongering and knee jerk reactions, that result in states locking out their own residents.

We have done well in NSW but much of the outcome was not due to anything the State Govt did. The State Govt system failed 3 or 4 times (different outbreaks in December that were detected). Contact tracing worked most of the time but failed to identify case zero in the largest outbreak, in the other cases the people who were the source of initial outbreaks identified themselves by going & get tested of their own volition.

Well the problem was that the system didn't work perfectly well in Sydney.

There were 3 or 4 separate 'breaches' in December of the NSW system.

Luck played a major part in it not being a worse outcome. For example with the Northern beaches wedding reception breach or the 600+ person Western suburbs wedding reception breach. As luck would have it - seemingly not one of them was infected. If there had been an infected person then the outcome would be very different = good luck not planning.
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The first breach saw the infected cleaner wearing masks 100% of her travelling as well as shopping time & only infect her husband. She did this despite masks not being mandatory on public transport or in shops - she should be rewarded for setting such a great example of how masks help. She worked in the densest area in NSW & transited the 2nd busiest train station. The strain she caught was not one of the more contagious variants.

All these 'lucky' breaks had nothing to do with State Govt policies - just the lady's self-responsibility & apparent concern for others.

NSW contract tracing never identified where the Northern Beaches outbreak originated = not a success.

The NSW management of the outbreak saw it spread across state borders = not a success (not as bad as Ruby Princess though but a similar attitude)

NSW contact tracing has never identifed over a dozen transmission chains = not a success

 

[RooFlyer]

Then some bizarre claim about financially supporting NSW i nearly choked. WA mining revenue may be contributing to company income tax, but those mines couldnt operate without FIFO and NSW keeps far less GST revenue than it collects. WA is far more dependent on east coast for food supply.

Don't forget the Royalties WA collects (and keeps) from mining in WA - HUGE! Iron ore prices at record levers due to China demand for its recovery and limits on supply from Brazil. That income has insulated the state budget from the economic effects of the virus and allowed then to keep their borders shut.

NSW contact tracing has never identifed over a dozen transmission chains = not a success

NSW overall - a huge success; some small outbreaks, economy kept open, mental health etc better than most other states. I don't give a rats about the ID of 'patient zero', lack of ID of certain transmission chains. Did they contain the outbreaks in short order without draconian measures? Yes. Did life in NSW go more-or-less as before? Yes. In a pandemic, that's a success for me.

 

[RAM]

The Oxford vaccine probably has a head start on the new mutations.Their Phase 3 trials were the UK,South Africa and Brazil.

I really hope that this is not just a coincidence but has anyone else noticed that the three countries that have subsequently developed more contagious variants are where the Astra Zeneca trials were held & the time frames of the trials overlap (with a suitable delay) the emergence of the new variants?

Perhaps the question is not whether it has a 'head start' on the new mutations but did it cause them?

Just like bacteria develop resistance to antibiotics - did CV mutate as a result of exposure to the AZ/Oxford drug trials?

The very early Novavax trials in South Africa suggest that it is only around 60% effective in reducing the symptoms of the South African strain (for people who haven't had HIV) vs around 90% in the UK overall.

 

[Must...Fly!]

I really hope that this is not just a coincidence but has anyone else noticed that the three countries that have subsequently developed more contagious variants are where the Astra Zeneca trials were held & the time frames of the trials overlap (with a suitable delay) the emergence of the new variants?

Perhaps the question is not whether it has a 'head start' on the new mutations but did it cause them?

Just like bacteria develop resistance to antibiotics - did CV mutate as a result of exposure to the AZ/Oxford drug trials?

The very early Novavax trials in South Africa suggest that it is only around 60% effective in reducing the symptoms of the South African strain (for people who haven't had HIV) vs around 90% in the UK overall.

Your assertion is nothing but speculation. Correlation does not imply causation and frankly even if (IF) one vaccine caused this problem then it is just as likely another did too.

Don't buy the media spin (coming from...hmm I wonder where) that the Pfizer vaccine is the "gold standard"