Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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Now let us hope for the same in NSW and QLD today.
It will be good to see Qld with zero cases but what does that say for this UK strain being 70% more transmissible compared to the current strain. The NSW worker entered the Berala bottle shop wearing a mask for a short period of time and spread it to a worker there and so on.
Maybe the Qld cleaner was not infectious for as long as they say or maybe she has better hygiene practices than most. I still see many people not covering their mouth when they sneeze or cough.
 
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It will be good to see Qld with zero cases but what does that say for this UK strain being 70% more transmissible compared to the current strain. The NSW worker entered the Berala bottle shop wearing a mask for a short period of time and spread it to a worker there and so on.
Maybe the Qld cleaner was not infectious for as long as they say or maybe she has better hygiene practices than most. I still see many people not covering their mouth when they sneeze or cough.

Viral load could have been far lower than the NSW spreading events..... so much of the time it’s just luck (bad/good) and appears so far QLD has just been lucky. Let’s hope that continues, for all of us!
 
Sunshine Coast has exposure sites



Yes they were all added as exposure sites at 2.39 pm yesterday.

They are from the returned traveller who had been through the previous quarantine protocols and while having tested positive is most likely not to have been capable of infecting anyone. She is living with her parents, and so if they do not test positive then anyone else with only more fleeting contact is unlikely to do so.
 
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It will be good to see Qld with zero cases but what does that say for this UK strain being 70% more transmissible compared to the current strain. The NSW worker entered the Berala bottle shop wearing a mask for a short period of time and spread it to a worker there and so on.
Maybe the Qld cleaner was not infectious for as long as they say or maybe she has better hygiene practices than most. I still see many people not covering their mouth when they sneeze or cough.


The recent NSW HQ Cleaner who tested positive did not infect one other person. She did however wear a mask when on public transport to and from work.

It may well be that both cleaners who will have been trained in infection control due to their workplaces were cautious.

With the cleaner they probably do not know exactly when she became infectious. They have a previous negative test, and know that she became symptomatic and so there may be some guesswork with a buffer (safety margin) added as to when the earliest that she may have become positive.
 
The only problem I see with masks it may give some a false confidence when entering a crowded room thinking "well I am wearing a mask" I will be fine. Instead of get me the hell out of here its to crowded for me.

Yes one can avoid crowded rooms. If crowded do not go in.

But for example you might be getting food at your weekly supermarket shop. Though yes you may be able to shop online.

You might need to use public transport.

You might need to visit a doctor or dentist.

You might need to provide care for someone.


Wearing a mask is but one of many measures for your safety. ie In your car you have brakes, air-bag, ABS, seat-belt, crumple zones and maybe more depending on the car.

It is cheap and not inconvenient.
 
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Surely it's a case that there is nothing we can do to guarantee that we won't develop the virus but all we can do is just ensure that we do the best we can to reduce the risk - masks, hand washing, avoiding contact especially with unknown others, cough and sneeze hygiene, There is no one magic answer so individually one idea won't be enough, but that doesn't make that one idea a waste of time but collectively that there is a much reduced chance of getting Covid.
 
It’s reassuring that we have some experts on AFF who are able to challenge/correct some of the odd claims that are being posted on this thread.
 
It is cheap and not inconvenient.

..and achieves minimal protection for an uninfected person unless it is a P2.5 mask or a respirator..
The public "education and information" processes are mostly about stopping infection spread rather than invdividual personal safety.
They would prefer us to be less protected (nonvalved mask) to minimise viral content egress from infected people.
When masked , I wear a respirator and would encourage susceptible folks to do likewise.

Associate Professor at Curtin University’s School of Public Health, Ben Mullins, told the ABCthat N95 masks with exhalation valves should be avoided if possible because they are less effective than those without in reducing the spread of potentially infected particles. He said this was because masks with exhalation valves protect the wearer “quite well”, but would not stop an infected wearer transmitting the virus.
A surgical mask or homemade cloth mask may help to stop the spread of your own germs if you are showing cold and flu symptoms. These types of masks are what is typically recommended by health authorities in Australia
 
It is cheap and not inconvenient.

..and achieves minimal protection for an uninfected person unless it is a P2.5 mask or a respirator..
The public "education and information" processes are mostly about stopping infection spread rather than invdividual personal safety.
They would prefer us to be less protected (nonvalved mask) to minimise viral content egress from infected people.
When masked , I wear a respirator and would encourage susceptible folks to do likewise.

Associate Professor at Curtin University’s School of Public Health, Ben Mullins, told the ABCthat N95 masks with exhalation valves should be avoided if possible because they are less effective than those without in reducing the spread of potentially infected particles. He said this was because masks with exhalation valves protect the wearer “quite well”, but would not stop an infected wearer transmitting the virus.
A surgical mask or homemade cloth mask may help to stop the spread of your own germs if you are showing cold and flu symptoms. These types of masks are what is typically recommended by health authorities in Australia


Fully agree that "susceptible folks" (which includes my parents and MIL) should be more cautious and take further and/or higher levels of measures.

And yes N95 masks with exhalation valves are dangerous as they only protect the wearer. They actually mean the wearer is exhaling unfiltered air. Good for working by yourself say sanding a surface to protect yourself, but not at all suited for Covid 19 use.
 
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Yes the ones circled in green below were all added to the Qld Exposure Site at 2.29PM today. So isolating and in all likelihood not infectious, even though the highly transmissible strains are thought to have people being infectious for longer.

The exposures are also likely to have only fleeting contacts. In all probability she probably was infected in the UK before flying and so that would give an earlier infected date than her tested date.

As she is with her parents presumably with lots of close and extended contact then if they do not test positive then most likely others in Qld with more fleeting contact would not.



The protocols have been tightened since. Vic moved to the new protocols on 6th Jan (she flew out on 5th Jan), and after Prof Chen made recommendations to the AHHPC they were then recommended up to the National Cabinet who also adopted them by and large and so they have been rolled out nationally, though individual states will have some tweeks.

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The exposure times for Purple Palate and Woolworths have been amended today from yesterday's advice.


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This explanation from Dr Chant provides greater detail and goes through various scenarios both before and after the new requirements and references the current case under discussion:

Why can COVID-19 cases be released from isolation after 10 days? A short explainer

By Natassia Chrysanthos

There has been some concern and confusion since this morning's revelation that a positive COVID-19 case was released from isolation in Victoria after just 10 days, and without a negative test.

NSW Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant has explained why that was the case. Essentially, a 14-day quarantine period applies to people who may have been exposed to the virus (such as close contacts or returned travellers) because that is the general incubation period for infection to reveal itself.

But when someone actually has COVID-19, a different isolation requirement sets in. The guidelines were established by the Communicable Diseases Network Australia, and they change depending on whether the person had a mild or serious case.

The returned traveller reported this morning, who first arrived in Victoria and travelled to Queensland, had a mild case of COVID-19. Dr Chant explained what rules applied and why:

"The guidelines require that you have 10 days in isolation after your [COVID-19] symptoms. So you flip from quarantining 14 days to [minimum 10 days] when you are a case.

"For mild cases you were able to be discharged if you were 10 days from your symptom onset and you had been free of symptoms for 72 hours before.

"The reason that was necessary is that we found cases where you can detect the virus in people's noses and throats, three months and even four months after the infection. What we're also observing is sometimes they may be negative at a certain point, but then you get a runny nose or something, and then if you get tested at that time, you can sometimes have the remnants of the virus come out.

"Because of that, you would have people permanently locked up. That's why the Communicable Disease Network looked at the evidence. That was that people are most infectious in that beginning bit, the pre-symptomatic time-frame."

That explains why some people can be released after 10 days so long as they have been free of symptoms for 72 hours. It also explains why a negative test was not required before cases left isolation and entered the community - a positive test at that later stage does not necessarily mean they are still infectious.

"Obviously there is a different set of criteria if you have been hospitalised, there are much more stringent guidelines," Dr Chant said. That different set of criteria also applies to people who were in intensive care or have had more intensive lung involvement.

Of course, these requirements have now shifted in light of the new mutant strains appearing overseas and arriving on Australian shores. "The Communicable Diseases Network Australia guidelines have been renewed and we will further discuss that situation today," Dr Chant said.

But in short: the minimum isolation period for positive mild cases has been lengthened to 14 days and a negative test will be required before people enter the community. Those who still test positive after their symptoms have passed will be assessed on a case-by-case basis.

"In NSW we've now re-instituted PCR testing on all negatives, but we are also making sure that we have the timely genetic genome sequencing, so again that can inform the decision-making," Dr Chant said.

"If you are negative, you will be able to [leave isolation], but we will extend the period to 14 days, not 10 days, as a precaution. We will test you before you go out and if you're negative, we will let you go out.

"If you are positive, we have a case-by-case assessment with experts who will do things like [assess] whether you have antibodies in response, whether the PCR marker is showing whether you're infectious," she said.

Such measures will alter the way that mild COVID-19 cases, such as the woman who travelled to Queensland from Victoria, will be treated in the future.



Dr Young also spoke on this today. In essence the same as Dr Chant's explanation. She reminded everyone that quarantine (no positive result) and isolation (known case) are different things. Added that the the protocol for isolation was originally tighter then eased, and has now been tightened again (for the reasons discussed this week, AHPPC advice and National Cabinet decision).

She also added that with the eased protocol that there has not been one known transmission that has resulted from it having been used.
 
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Mask wearing may reduce infection but the evidence is very weak.The strongest results from trials very rarely reach significance and often when things like social distancing and hand washing are taken into account there is often no difference.
More evidence if you wear the N95 mask all the time.
A summary of the evidence in one Medical journal.




I was trying to understand the conclusions of the linked articles with respect to the effectiveness of masks in preventing transmission from the wearer, but mostly they seem to conclude the benefit of protecting one’s self by wearing the mask is not very big. That has been well publicised. And is particularly the case where seals are imperfect (hint: I take a strong mint or fisherman’s friend, put on a mask, then exhale. If the fit is not good my eyes start stinging as the menthol moves up through the gaps ... but on a good N95 don’t notice at all).

But I was looking for the studies about masks protecting others - which is what mask mandates are really all about - protecting others from spread of viruses from an ill person. Certainly in the parts of Asia where mask wearing was not uncommon prior to Covid, it was mainly those who were ill that wore masks.
 
Is anyone else sick of the Australian epidemiologist 'experts' (how many are there now?) being trotted out and always giving worst case scenarios as though they are fact and that authorities (in Australia anyway) won't react to prevent that happening? The most recent one being that Sydney would have 4000 cases by now. That didn't occur so then the same one moved to the next dire prediction. Could they just for once think about other health issues associated with their 'predictions' that they launch on social media And today it is that we can't control the UK threat regardless of what we do.
 
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And yes N95 masks with exhalation valves are dangerous as they only protect the wearer.

There are N95 masks which do not have valves.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with wearing a N95 to protect yourself in high risk environments. And it is disappointing that the national cabinet did not mandate eye protection and N95 masks for all transport drivers, cleaners and security guards supporting HQ - these individuals are regualrly being exposed to high risk individuals and need to be given the best phsycial protection.

Cloth masks (unless they have a replaceable filter) and surgical masks do not really protect you, only other people. So because you cant trust other people to do the right thing, its is important you give yourself the best protection available, especially as the mask mandate has made some people less concerned re physical distance due to a false sense of security.

I always wear N95 (no valve) on flights, and when using a cloth mask make sure its 3 layered and has a PM2.5 filter. Surgical masks are the absolute last resort for me, as they dont fit tightly and gape at the sides rendering less effective.
 
Is anyone else sick of the Australian epidemiologist 'experts' (how many are there now?) being trotted out and always giving worst case scenarios as though they are fact and that authorities (in Australia anyway) won't react to prevent that happening? The most recent one being that Sydney would have 4000 cases by now. That didn't occur so then the same one moved to the next dire prediction. Could they just for once think about other health issues associated with their 'predictions' that they launch on social media And today it is that we can't control the UK threat regardless of what we do.
Yes I am. It is selfish as they get their name in lights. If they are right, a great thing to hang your hat on. If wrong, "oh well that's what could have happened if the response wasn't so good."

Media are to blame for continually giving them a platform and creating explosive headlines as well.
 
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