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Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

dajop

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Kind of takes the shine off this claim when there was 3,672 unlinked cases. Cluster sizes mean nothing when you have this many unknowns.
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Blackcat did mention “later clusters” (at the tail end) which could be - and were -controlled infinitely better than anything in the first three months or so of the second wave where you are right there were so many unlinked cases (thinking the latter Chadstone, Casey and Preston clusters which were all well extinguished).
 

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I didnt realise it was a competition? Yes VIC had a crap time, but look where we are now 🤷‍♀️

The people of Victoria have gone through a very tough time and I definitely don't want to take away from the personal struggle they have gone through.

However, this situation was the making of the state government and it was most certainly preventable. Given the harshness of the lockdown, at great economic and personal cost, it was not surprising you guys got on top of this eventually.

Chances are the Victorian system now equals NSW - however it has never been tested in a freely opened up economy (by the time you opened up it was pretty much eradicated). All indications point that it should stand up to a further test but we can't be certain. We saw SA resort to the same sledgehammer approach. The key is managing outbreaks but letting people live normally.

I would hazard a guess if VIC had another outbreak like SA they would bring out the sledgehammer again. NSW wouldn't - and has consistently shown they can manage without it throughout the year.
 

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NSW announced move to 2sqm from Monday

That was effective from MOnday 23rd Nov on the condition you have a QR code. I still belive if you are a venue with manual signin (so cant be a cafe, resturant, club, beaty salon as these requires a QR - not sure what is left) then still 4spm indoors.

The main gap in tracing at NSW atm in that supermnarkets arent required to have QR codes - this is so simple to fix and easier thqan havign to use loyalty card and credit card infor to track people,
 

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That was effective from MOnday 23rd Nov on the condition you have a QR code. I still belive if you are a venue with manual signin (so cant be a cafe, resturant, club, beaty salon as these requires a QR - not sure what is left) then still 4spm indoors.

The main gap in tracing at NSW atm in that supermnarkets arent required to have QR codes - this is so simple to fix and easier thqan havign to use loyalty card and credit card infor to track people,

No it's 2sqm across the board, announced today.

The changes come after a previous rule change last week was deemed unsatisfactory by those managing larger venues, which were then exempt from the 2sq m rule.

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian explained at the time the government was “not quite there yet”.

“Health is looking very closely at being able to apply that 2 sq m indoors across all hospitality venues, but we’re not quite there yet,” she said last Wednesday.
 
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And SA hoping to be back to where we were prior to 14th November by 14th December. Just realised today that the test that sparked this latest cluster was done on Friday 13th.
 

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Another north-South Tas divide? 😊. Definitely not the case in Hobart. Social distancing on queues OK, but not in general in shops. Sanitiser provided just about everywhere, but use very uneven and never enforced.

medical places always take temp, and have sanitiser there but only a couple enforce or monitor sanitiser use. My physio is the best on compliance.

To remind others, Hobart never had much of an outbreak, the NW coast of Tas did.
Just because more than half Tasmania's cases were in the Burnie region.plus the closing of the 2 hospitals there and by far the strictest lockdown in Tasmania was a good education and warning for the locals.
Mind you testing rates in Tassie now quite low with just 383 tests on 25/11.
 

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And SA hoping to be back to where we were prior to 14th November by 14th December. Just realised today that the test that sparked this latest cluster was done on Friday 13th.

Hopefully QLD and WA agree and let you guys back in when they announce on Monday....
 

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Hopefully QLD and WA agree and let you guys back in when they announce on Monday....
Sorry to be pessimistic this time around but doubtful.

I think both WA and Qld are still hanging on to their 28 day rule - just modified for the circumstance so 28 days without a new local case.
 

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Sorry to be pessimistic this time around but doubtful.

I think both WA and Qld are still hanging on to their 28 day rule - just modified for the circumstance so 28 days without a new local case.

The QLD CHO broke the monthly meeting rule to allow NSW to join VIC at the same time though, who knows what practicality and flexibility will happen next :rolleyes:
 

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The QLD CHO broke the monthly meeting rule to allow NSW to join VIC at the same time though, who knows what practicality and flexibility will happen next

Think you have that around the wrong way. NSW entry to Qld was announced a day before Vic entry. As Qld uses 28 days since unknown community transmission (last unlinked case) which NSW met before Vic, as the later MOss Vale cases were linked to the LLiverpool hospital cluster. And Vic entry was alluded to on same day as NSW, just officially confirmed the next day, so the decisoon was at the monthly meeting for both.

Whereas WA seem to use 28 days since last local case (irrespective of whether linked or not) which is why Moss Vale puts NSW a week behind Vic for WAs rules.

Dont think there is anyway SA can meet WA critria before mid December.
 

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Think you have that around the wrong way. NSW entry to Qld was announced a day before Vic entry. As Qld uses 28 days since unknown community transmission (last unlinked case) which NSW met before Vic, as the later MOss Vale cases were linked to the LLiverpool hospital cluster. And Vic entry was alluded to on same day as NSW, just officially confirmed the next day, so the decisoon was at the monthly meeting for both.

Whereas WA seem to use 28 days since last local case (irrespective of whether linked or not) which is why Moss Vale puts NSW a week behind Vic for WAs rules.

Dont think there is anyway SA can meet WA critria before mid December.

Whoops you are right.

Well QLD will absolutely have to break the monthly decision only rule for SA to have any hope of having Christmas with family up here.

WA - agree, good luck for any rational thinking there.
 

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Pizza liar - case closed

SA Health refused to disclose any details of their Health conversation. It seems strange that the Police could not act on their interview because it was only then that the lie was revealed. There must have been some type of intel that was passed onto the police for them to make further enquiries.
At the end of the day the visa expires this month so he can be exited and had he some legal issues pending he could have been granted leave to appeal etc etc, meaning he will legally be entitled to stay in Australia until that was heard. Probably better outcome.
 

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And SA hoping to be back to where we were prior to 14th November by 14th December. Just realised today that the test that sparked this latest cluster was done on Friday 13th.
Friday ..... the 13th ..... in 2020 .... what could possibly go wrong :eek:
 

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Pizza liar - case closed

I would opine that this is a good outcome. I understand the frustration motivating "throwing the book" comments but realistically, people shouldn't be crucified over these issues. Contact tracing relies on people trusting the system. This person didn't trust the system, possibly because of prior experiences. SA Health retiring behind confidentiality tells everyone loud and clear that you can trust the system. They're not going to talk to immigration, ATO or police; they just want to know where you've been!
 

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they just want to know where you've been!
Well yes, but they weren't successful at determining that.

Agree in principle. Time for them to leave Australia, with their visa expiration, that is probably a greater penalty for him going back to Europe right now, rather than being able to spend another summer in Australia as he maybe had planned to do. If he'd been charged then he would be bailed and able to stay here, for quite a while.
 

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The people of Victoria have gone through a very tough time and I definitely don't want to take away from the personal struggle they have gone through.

However, this situation was the making of the state government and it was most certainly preventable. Given the harshness of the lockdown, at great economic and personal cost, it was not surprising you guys got on top of this eventually.

Chances are the Victorian system now equals NSW - however it has never been tested in a freely opened up economy (by the time you opened up it was pretty much eradicated). All indications point that it should stand up to a further test but we can't be certain. We saw SA resort to the same sledgehammer approach. The key is managing outbreaks but letting people live normally.

By the same logic NSW was never really tested either as NSW never had rampant Covid 19 community spread.



I would hazard a guess if VIC had another outbreak like SA they would bring out the sledgehammer again.

Well I would guess that you would be wrong. The SA outbreak was/is not that big and all that was/is required in the main for such a situation is the two rings of containment method that was demonstrated in Vic to work so well.
 
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