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Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

TomVexille

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A question for the Victorians. One thing in SA that has been a real bug bear - in the media and Hotels association anyway, not me personally - is that the freedom of standing and drinking at the bar stopped in March, then allowed in June, then stopped again 3 weeks later when we had a positive that turned out to be a false positive, and which was never reinstated. Is drinking while standing at the bar now allowable in Victoria (assuming all the person limits etc in place). Or even elsewhere in Australia.

Seated service only at the moment
 

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A question for the Victorians. One thing in SA that has been a real bug bear - in the media and Hotels association anyway, not me personally - is that the freedom of standing and drinking at the bar stopped in March, then allowed in June, then stopped again 3 weeks later when we had a positive that turned out to be a false positive, and which was never reinstated. Is drinking while standing at the bar now allowable in Victoria (assuming all the person limits etc in place). Or even elsewhere in Australia.

There are only quotas for seated people both inside and out.

ie nil for standing or circulating for service.
 
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A question for the Victorians. One thing in SA that has been a real bug bear - in the media and Hotels association anyway, not me personally - is that the freedom of standing and drinking at the bar stopped in March, then allowed in June, then stopped again 3 weeks later when we had a positive that turned out to be a false positive, and which was never reinstated. Is drinking while standing at the bar now allowable in Victoria (assuming all the person limits etc in place). Or even elsewhere in Australia.
Seated only in Canberra - overseas, bars have been a huge risk and people standing and mingling exacerbate it.
 

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We will need to just roll with the positive cases as they occur and at least now there are resources available as the system isn't overwhelmed with numbers. The deaths - if in aged persons then this will be problematic if it becomes another criteria because deaths happen in aged care regardless. Obviously.

So the no-standing at the bar thing is consistent across most of Australia. It makes sense to me but given the SA Hotels Association noise it sounded like we were enforcing ridiculous rules.
 

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We will need to just roll with the positive cases as they occur and at least now there are resources available as the system isn't overwhelmed with numbers. The deaths - if in aged persons then this will be problematic if it becomes another criteria because deaths happen in aged care regardless. Obviously.

So the no-standing at the bar thing is consistent across most of Australia. It makes sense to me but given the SA Hotels Association noise it sounded like we were enforcing ridiculous rules.
Probably WA allows non-seated service

 

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Outside of the hard border WA really don't have many Covid Safe restrictions in place - they may actually have to reintroduce some limits such as no standing bar service and start enforcing mandatory check-ins when they finally open the border on April 1,
 
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I think Queensland relaxed the standing at a bar drinking part, changed about 2 weeks ago.

I actually think sitting while having a drink is a good idea.
 

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We will need to just roll with the positive cases as they occur and at least now there are resources available as the system isn't overwhelmed with numbers. The deaths - if in aged persons then this will be problematic if it becomes another criteria because deaths happen in aged care regardless. Obviously.

So the no-standing at the bar thing is consistent across most of Australia. It makes sense to me but given the SA Hotels Association noise it sounded like we were enforcing ridiculous rules.
Looks like Qld allows non-seated service too.

 

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Outside of the hard border WA really don't have many Covid Safe restrictions in place - they may actually have to reintroduce some limits such as no standing bar service and start enforcing mandatory check-ins when they finally open the border on April 1,
Here's the nub of it right? Those restrictions exist in other states because of the health risk. The businesses in question do substantially better without those restrictions. So the health risk is driving a poorer economic outcome for equivalent businesses in other states.

A mate of mine is a publican here in Qld. His turnover has increased more than 20% and his business is now profitable again since standing at the bar was reintroduced. That's his greatest fear - that borders reopening will come with reintroducing restrictions that crush his business.
 

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We will need to just roll with the positive cases as they occur and at least now there are resources available as the system isn't overwhelmed with numbers. The deaths - if in aged persons then this will be problematic if it becomes another criteria because deaths happen in aged care regardless. Obviously.

So the no-standing at the bar thing is consistent across most of Australia. It makes sense to me but given the SA Hotels Association noise it sounded like we were enforcing ridiculous rules.
Must be seated in NSW too.
 

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Dec 1 eh.

You are cutting it fine then as my eldest daughter's partner travels to Tassie every summer for a month to keep your fuel flowing. ;)

If he does not visit, you might all have to make do with pushbikes. Though those taking over from the trucks will being doing hard yakka!

Plenty - hundreds of Victorians supplying essential goods and services - have been visiting Tasmania without quarantine throughout the pandemic and the disastrous Victorian second wave. The fuel has kept flowing, even, apparently, without your eldest daughter’s partner’s help ;). If the lifting for all Victorians doesn’t happen before 1 December, if your eldest daughter’s partner’s visit is considered essential work, then they will get in OK. If not, they can stay on their couch a bit longer. 😊
 

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Here's the nub of it right? Those restrictions exist in other states because of the health risk. The businesses in question do substantially better without those restrictions. So the health risk is driving a poorer economic outcome for equivalent businesses in other states.

A mate of mine is a publican here in Qld. His turnover has increased more than 20% and his business is now profitable again since standing at the bar was reintroduced. That's his greatest fear - that borders reopening will come with reintroducing restrictions that crush his business.


While fears will always be what the person holds, the more optimistic view is that Vic, and NSW will continue to drive things down and achieve zero for incubations periods which will then allow even more rules in various jurisdictions to be relaxed and to become more common within the jurisdictions.

With Vic the next 3 weeks should be quite telling (for both Vic and for ultimate national common restriction levels) as with decreased restrictions and more mixing there is the potential for cases to kick up again.

If any such new cases are handled well with third ring measures and quarantining, and good swift contact tracing, then the outlook for low restriction levels and free movement is good.

Note that some cases that may occur in Vic still may already be in quarantined households and contained. So it will be more those new cases that occur from outside of a quarantined household, if any, that if they do occur that will be be the subject of everyone's attention and dare I say fears.
 

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We will need to just roll with the positive cases as they occur and at least now there are resources available as the system isn't overwhelmed with numbers. The deaths - if in aged persons then this will be problematic if it becomes another criteria because deaths happen in aged care regardless. Obviously.

So the no-standing at the bar thing is consistent across most of Australia. It makes sense to me but given the SA Hotels Association noise it sounded like we were enforcing ridiculous rules.

NT also seems to allow non-seated service since taking Step 3 on 5 June. It was explicitly not allowed during Step 2 (15 May - 4 June).

 

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. The fuel has kept flowing, even, apparently, without your eldest daughter’s partner’s help ;).

As I mentioned it is work that is done each summer in Tassie and so your statement is incorrect as it is flowing now because of what he did last summer.

It is annual tests and certification's that are done each summer. So they are not yet due, and so yes fuel is still flowing. But the checks if not done this summer would mean that given the dangerous nature of fuel that continued operation would be in breach of safety requirements.

So the tests and certifications will be done this summer. Those that can do it do not live in Tassie (which was me just agreeing with you (yes shock horror ;) ) and providing an example of your point that Tassie is reliant on Vic for many things) and so he, or a colleague, will arrive this summer so that you do not need to revert to a pushbike.
 
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they may actually have to reintroduce some limits such as no standing bar service and start enforcing mandatory check-ins when they finally open the border on April 1,
And I bet that little cookie is one of the things mentioned when the Premier comments why he isn’t releasing the border for a while.
 

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With one past case reclassified with 2 new cases today the cumulative cases has increased by one (not two).



Pleasing too is that despite the restrictions being announced on Monday that those who got tested yesterday went up to 24,673 which is the highest number since 4 Sept when 25,031 were announced.

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