Tasmanian doctors working in the public system were warned back in November that they should not plan to have leave in January or February and that any leave that had already been organised may be cancelled at the last moment.The thing is no one (even on this thread) was saying bring back healthcare workers from planned leave - not Day 1, not Day 15 even. None of the modelling shows healthcare resources compromised. Everyone seems to take for granted that there will be a baseline healthcare capacity and ability to increase (by taking over private hospitals and pausing certain surgeries).
No that is what has been done throughout the pandemic. This is the problem when comparing covid deaths to flu deaths. Someone with multiple co morbidities who dies during a flu epidemic was very likely to have the death assigned to one of their other illnesses rather than have flu mentioned on the death cerificate.Q: on today’s death, is it highly unusual but within guidelines for the State to record as covid death (WHO or AusGov standard??) when not on death certificate?
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One other thought I'd leave in this thread. There has been a lot of talk about living with COVID. There's an implicit assumption in that argument, that we should spare the elderly and vulnerable in the community just to say we've opened everything up. That's fundamentally wrong. Yes, we may no longer have the luxury of keeping COVID out of our communities but we can take measures to deal with it for those who are vulnerable in our communities. Why on god's green earth aren't we providing N95 respirators, rapid antigen tests, etc. for those vulnerable in our community? If you're in a nursing home and have people over to visit, meet them outside where we know COVID is less likely to spread than indoors. Of course we can also improve ventilation in retirement homes which would have the added benefit of removing airborne viruses that do a number on seniors (e.g., flu, pneumonia). Why aren't the airlines providing socially distant seating in their cabin (when available) for those vulnerable? Why aren't the vulnerable in our community not being given COVID-19 treatments the moment they test positive which we know greatly reduces hospitalization and death versus giving it out when they're in the hospital.
Again, there is a lot our governments can do to really deal with COVID now. There is absolutely no reason why we should be seeing the hospitalization and death numbers in NSW or elsewhere as high as they are.
And what is the cost to Medicare for having all those patients in the hospital and ICU? What is the cost to having grocery store workers and truckers have to isolate for a week? What is the cost to the Sydney economy of having public transport running at a reduced schedule thanks to Transport for NSW drivers having to isolate? What is the cost to society of having teachers and kids isolate due to a COVID outbreak at school? Much of these risks can now be reduced greatly by providing the vulnerable and critical workers with a box of P2 respirators you can get for $25 at a Bunnings which I suspect the Commonwealth can get for substantially less. The United States is making 400 million N95 respirators available to the public at pharmacies for free and are offering free COVID tests by mail. Meanwhile, I'm lucky if I can find a Rapid Antigen Test for under $100.
This is a refreshing view. I thought most of the posters on this thread were of the let it rip variety.
But as has been said many times, adverse health issues also hit the bottom line of many businesses.
At least in SA they have changed their stupid 15 minute close contact rule for schools and childcare. Now, a positive in the class just means children have to be monitored for symptoms but can keep going to school and childcare. Childcare workers are to be RAT tested three times a week.Moved the discussion here, where it seems more appropriate.
You first talk about the vulnerable, with a focus on elderly. Many of whom have other health issues. I think its pretty clear that for example NSW leaders don't give much focus on the deaths of older Australians, less so if they are in aged care (partly a Federal responsibility).
Now you want to move the goal posts to hospital and ICU and close contacts working in non-exempt industries.
The leadership has spoken what they care about - get exempt/critical industries back to work ($), keep stocking shelves ($) and the peak of hospitalisation and ICU will be reached eventually. (just ride out the storm). Honestly not many people care about the cost to Medicare (backed by some contribution from private health funds) - its a public good and Federal Government guaranteed - if for some reason the funds are depleted the Federal Government will find funds somewhere and appropriate.
In much of Australia, they have changed the close contact rules - 4 hours indoors without a mask. Its going to be hard to be a close contact outside of family. If there is a teacher shortage, you will be certain they will make them critical and exempt too.
But I had understood that the 15 minute household-only rule was another part of the Gold Standard.At least in SA they have changed their stupid 15 minute close contact rule for schools and childcare. Now, a positive in the class just means children have to be monitored for symptoms but can keep going to school and childcare. Childcare workers are to be RAT tested three times a week.
The SA rule was really a 15 minute dining rule. One would take off a mask for 15 minutes while eating. If your contact (subsequently became positive) ate with you - bang, close contact. I don't think it was really meant for neighbouring tables, but it could be.But I had understood that the 15 minute household-only rule was another part of the Gold Standard.
See, it is just getting too hard for people. I didn't go to the market yesterday to have coffee with family because we would have been there for an hour, and no one can guarantee that people won't test positive. I needed to know it would be safe for me to babysit grandson next week. If it was four hours - no problems. It's this 15 minute thing and 25% capacity that is the issue in SA.The SA rule was really a 15 minute dining rule. One would take off a mask for 15 minutes while eating. If your contact (subsequently became positive) ate with you - bang, close contact. I don't think it was really meant for neighbouring tables, but it could be.
Edit to add: For information the SA rule was 15 minutes + no mask + within 1.5 metres "close physical proximity" + indoor.
The Aussie Test captain got caught by this rule because he took a selfie and was the next table I believe
Did the market / cafe have an outdoor section? That's a legitimate loophole. But I accept your view of the risk of the 15-min rule potentially applying when one has near-future responsibilities one wants to fulfil.See, it is just getting too hard for people. I didn't go to the market yesterday to have coffee with family because we would have been there for an hour, and no one can guarantee that people won't test positive. I needed to know it would be safe for me to babysit grandson next week. If it was four hours - no problems. It's this 15 minute thing and 25% capacity that is the issue in SA.
Not really. It’s in the central plaza. The outdoor area is where smokers gather and it’s literally where vegetable trucks unload and on the street. If either of them test positive and it’s a possibility as they mind their grandkids who are going to holiday sports programs etc then I get caught in the drag net for a 45 minute catch up coffee. And I know they’d tell me. Not worth it.Did the market / cafe have an outdoor section? That's a legitimate loophole. But I accept your view of the risk of the 15-min rule potentially applying when one has near-future responsibilities one wants to fulfil.
The wait time for both testing sites and the PCR test results has dropped significantly in the past week, as the rapid tests have become more accessible in the state.“The Commonwealth Government should fix this as a matter of urgency.
“In the absence of federal approach, we’re making sure Victorians can access free rapid tests - with 210 million orders and thousands being handed out at state testing hubs each day.”