Article: Qantas pilots split on Boeing or 'bus

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  1. Yada Yada

    Yada Yada Established Member

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  2. JohnK

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    My opinion is that Qantas will stick mainly with 777s and 787s.

    The current fleet is around 70%-75% Boeing and this trend looks likely to continue. Why change something that works?
     
  3. Dave Noble

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    They currently have zero 777s and zero 787s. Tell me how this would mean staying with them; the best thing to do is compare the merits of both companies models and pick that which is most appropriate

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  4. JohnK

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    I think that is what they will purchase next. Apart from A380 ordered I think they will stick with Boeing.
     
  5. duffshot

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    I can see the merit in going for an Airbus wide fleet with virtually a common cockpit across all types, but I think the fact they have not been entirely happy with the A330 may just be enough to give the Boeing aircraft the edge.

    Having said that though, I think it will be a composite order of a bit of each. Very interestiing and great for Australian travellers. How many US airlines are rushing out to upgrade their fleets?
     
  6. NM

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    And they have quite a large number of A320 aircraft in use and on order. As well as 12 x A380s on order.

    Since we know this order will include capacity for JQ International, I expect to see a little french splashed around the announcement - at least some A321's for JQ International.
     
  7. markis10

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    Lets get Patriotic for a sec, how much being Boeing or Airbus product is made in Australia, I think you will find going Airbus keeps more bucks here than Boeing, although as a consumer I have to say the 777 is my favorite aircraft to travel on.
     
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    I know we make the wingtip fence for the A380..... Wow as a % of the total aircraft cost that must be almost 0.5%. As for the Boeing - I don't know but maybe as much as 0.3% at a guess.
     
  9. oz_mark

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    While I know they were unhappy with the A330 on SYD-MEL legs, have they actually been unhappy with the A330 on sectors that it is more suited too, such as the various international sectors it is now deployed on?
     
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    I think some of their "unhappiness" is related to the fact that they bought and configured them for one role which they did not turn out to be well suited too. As such they can't use them as effectively as they would like. How much of this is QF's fault and how much is Airbus fault I don't know.


    Today is the big day though where the red rat releases the cat from the bag and we can stop speculating and discuss what we think of the decision.
     
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    As duffshot intimated above...

    The Qantas board meets this morning to make decisions on its $20 billion fleet purchase program, one of the largest investments in Australian corporate history...
     
  12. Yada Yada

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    If only they'd spread a measly million of it my way... :(

    I guess there are some anxious Airbus and Boeing execs sitting next to their telephones this evening in Europe/LOTFAP. :D
     
  13. markis10

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    The way things are goingn i would suspect the Jetstar crews say in things might count more, given the expansion they seem to be going through!
     
  14. straitman

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    From my experience what the crews say will have little or no bearing upon the decision. (and in most cases rightly so) :D :D :D
     
  15. Yada Yada

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    According to this report, the announcement is due at 2:00pm.

    One of the Bloomberg analysts was quoted as saying:
    Will be interesting to see what happens.
     
  16. NM

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    And the winner is ..... Boeing

    Ass the ASX announcement for details.
     
  17. Yada Yada

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    Seattle must be pleased - 115 x B787's is a nice order.

    So I guess we will see some of these on the SYD-MEL route?

    I notice that Deathstar International is to use 4 x A330-200's to begin with. Are they taking these from the existing QF fleet?
     
  18. JohnK

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    Had a feeling they will stick to Boeing.

    65 B787's with rights for another 50, beginning 2008.

    It also mentions Jetstar international will commence with 4 A330-200's plus 10 B787's.

    Link to ASX announcement but not sure if you need password.

    http://imagesignal.comsec.com.au/asxdata/20051214/pdf/00576496.pdf
     
  19. NM

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    Yes, the 4 x A332 will be the existing ones in service with QF mainline. This is not at all surprising.

    We will be seeing 787s on most routes by the middle of next decade. JQ gets the first ones from August 2008, and mainline gets its first deliveries a year later.

    The announcement does not specify the mix of 787-8 and 787-9 aircraft, just that it will be a mix.
     
  20. Yada Yada

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    So the old QF 767s will be trundling around for a good while yet!

    I guess Airbus can now take down their billboards across the road from the QF buildings on Qantas Drive.
     
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