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  1. PennyP

    PennyP Newbie

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    i am just wondering, if you have been caught shoplifting but you dont get fingerprinted, just have to pay a fine, does that mean that you have a criminal record?
     

  2. Dave Noble

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    Depends on the country. If you got fined, then it suggests that the person was convicted or pled guilty and so probably has a criminal record. Some countries have strange ideas and may sometimes not record a conviction despite a conviction occurring

    Dave
     
  3. NM

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    I am not sure what this has to do with travel, but hey there are lots of things discussed here that fit that description :confused:.

    As far as I am aware (and I am no lawyer), a criminal conviction can only be imposed by a court. Paying a fine does not impose a criminal conviction. I assume by "criminal record" you mean the registration of a criminal conviction against you.

    It is possible for a court to determine that you are guilty and impose a fine and not record a conviction.
     
  4. Dave Noble

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    If the offence was shoplifting and a fine was imposed, then I posit that the most likely place for that fine to have been given is at a court.

    Only in some countries

    Dave
     
  5. NM

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    Possibly. I have never been caught or fined for shoplifting. But I have been fined for speeding and there was no court involved or conviction registered. Quite possibly a very different situation, however.
    I thought it was fair to assume this question was relating to Australia, but of course you are correct.
     
  6. oz_mark

    oz_mark Enthusiast

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    I guess the OP has had the question come up on some travel related form (e.g. visa application etc.)
     
  7. Dave Noble

    Dave Noble Senior Member

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    Shoplifting is quite different to fixed penalties for speeding. I thought that it was quite possible that the question related to eligability to enter Australia :)

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  8. vt01

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    If the fine was imposed by a court, then a conviction is recorded. Unless your lawyer was able to get a 'no conviction recorded' under first offences. This is because shop lifting is a criminal offence where as something like speeding is not. It does not really relate to whether you get a fine or some other penalty.
    The law in Australia can differ from state to state. A quick google of shoplifting criminal offence will provide you with plenty of detail.
    Criminal records were discussed in relation to the US Visa Waiver Program in this thread.
    I also read that you must be advised if you are being charged.
    I double checked this with a mate who has studied law..
     
  9. mitille

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    Re: am wondering shoplifting criminal record and travel

    Currently, 27 countries participate in the Visa Waiver Program, as shown below:
    Visa Waiver Program (VWP)
    Visa Waiver Program - Participating Countries.
    Andorra Iceland Norway
    Australia Ireland Portugal
    Austria Italy San Marino
    Belgium Japan Singapore
    Brunei Liechtenstein Slovenia
    Denmark Luxembourg Spain
    Finland Monaco Sweden
    France the Netherlands Switzerland
    Germany New Zealand United Kingdom
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    The following visitors will NOT qualify for the Visa Waiver Program and MUST apply for a visa:

    * Persons who have ever been arrested or convicted of any criminal offence (excepting certain fixed penalty driving offences that did not result in a conviction). Note: The Rehabilitation of Offenders Act does not apply in respect of US immigration law - if you have ever been arrested or convicted of any offence, no matter how long ago it was, you must apply for a visa before travelling to the US.

    * Persons who have ever overstayed in the US, been refused entry or not complied with the rules of the visa under which they were present in the US

    * Persons who have certain serious communicable diseases or condition.
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    The DS Criminal Investigative Division conducts criminal investigations into violations of passport and visa fraud. Passport and visa fraud is a federal offense punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a fine of $250,000. If the offense is connected to narcotics trafficking, the prison sentence is increased to up to 15 years, and 20 years if connected to international terrorism. Department of State Bureau of Diplomatic Security: Investigating Passport and Visa Fraud
     
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