A second airport for Sydney?

[Yada Yada]

A second airport in SYD is not needed.

Under a noise agreement to placate residents in the 1990s, the Federal Government imposed an artificial cap of 80 takeoffs and landings an hour, when it is able to handle many more. The airport is expected to begin reaching that limit early in 2009.

Just increase the number of movements per hour and open the airport from 11pm to 6am. Sorted.

 

[dajop]

To move the airport out to Richmond would be most inconvenient for me and, I daresay, many other frequent visitors to the facility.

No-one is suggesting moving the airport to Richmond, or anywhere else for that matter. The talk is just of a secondary airport like Melbourne has with Avalon. Can't see it happening though, nor where it could be located (Goulburn & Newcastle suggested in the past, but surely not seriously, and it would be a brave politician to take on the locals around Richmond). It's main usefulness I imagine would be as an cost effective base for LCC's, and to make the operators of SYD to be a bit more competitive (doubt that very much though!)

 

[simongr]

A second airport in SYD is not needed.

Just increase the number of movements per hour and open the airport from 11pm to 6am. Sorted.

Hate to burts your bubble, but that is a sensible suggestion that would actually work - sadly politically not viable so much better spend money on big consultation processes when that money could be spent on health, education, public transport....

Amusing that under the church of global warming someone suggests building a new airport with the massive CO2 release from te concrete used to build it rather than just better utilising the existing space...

 

[Yada Yada]

Hate to burts your bubble, but that is a sensible suggestion that would actually work - sadly politically not viable so much better spend money on big consultation processes when that money could be spent on health, education, public transport....

Amusing that under the church of global warming someone suggests building a new airport with the massive CO2 release from te concrete used to build it rather than just better utilising the existing space...

Exactly! What a waste of an existing asset.

 

[JohnK]

Here we go again.

Nothing wrong with the current location. To build somewhere like Richmond would be disastrous for the majority of Sydneysiders. It would cost me something like $120-$150 in a taxi to get there.

Train service? I wouldn't fancy walking to the train station, catching a train to Central and then another train to Richmond regardless of the speed of the train or the frequency of the service. Now try doing that when returning after an 8-14 flight.

I think Canberra or Newcastle as second SYD airports would be even worse choices....

 

[dajop]

Here we go again.

Nothing wrong with the current location. To build somewhere like Richmond would be disastrous for the majority of Sydneysiders. It would cost me something like $120-$150 in a taxi to get there.

Can someone please tell me where anyone is suggesting that the current Sydney airport be closed down? I always thought the discussion was about a second airport, not replacing the current airport with a new one. A scond airport wherever it is is hardly going to be "disastrous for the majority of Sydneysiders". I am sure many of those in the far western suburbs would make good use of an airport in their vicinity if it came packaged with a LCC, as the people of Geelong and Melbourne's outer west do with Avalon.

 

[Reggie]

As a Perthite, can some please tell me how long SYD airport has been in its current position?

I am assuming a fairly long time. Yet all these people that keep buying into the areas around the airport, knowing it is there, complain of the noise. What make them so precious?

Here in Perth there is no such restriction, and my parents are under the flight path, and have planes landing and taking off all through the day and night, they just accept it, and in the end you barely notice it.

Whilst in Adelaide I have seen the planes on approach coming in rather low over the houses near the airport there as well.

 

[Evan]

Sydney airport has been around since atound the 1920's, the first 747 landed in 1970

It will be interesting to see how people react to the new generation of less noisy jets, i think they should allow more flights per/hour and in offpeak hours provided its the new jets that are so much better, like the restrictions that will apply to LHR.

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[Reggie]

Sydney airport has been around since atound the 1920's, the first 747 landed in 1970

So anyone under the age of 100 has aquired their house since the airport was there. (2008 - 1925 + 18 years to be of age). So pretty much anyone living in their own home near SYD airport, knew it was there beforehand. As Uncle Chopper says "Harden the Fig* up"

* editted for AFF.

 

[oz_mark]

Different poliical environments in Sydeny versus Perth and Adelaide have resulted in what we have now.

 

[Reggie]

Different poliical environments in Sydeny versus Perth and Adelaide have resulted in what we have now.

I gathered that, but the politians must be soft, and the residents whingers.

oz-mark, I live north east of Perth, right near bullsbrook, so we have the RAAF and Yanks when they are in town, flying over our place. As you drive north along Great Northern Highway, you can now see where they have put up signs warning of it being an aircraft noise area.

On a side note, when the Yanks are in town, it is brilliant watching them land and take off.

 

[oz_mark]

I gathered that, but the politians must be soft, and the residents whingers.

oz-mark, I live north east of Perth, right near bullsbrook, so we have the RAAF and Yanks when they are in town, flying over our place. As you drive north along Great Northern Highway, you can now see where they have put up signs warning of it being an aircraft noise area.

On a side note, when the Yanks are in town, it is brilliant watching them land and take off.

I like the signs that tell you to watch out for low flying aircraft

 

[Reggie]

I like the signs that tell you to watch out for low flying aircraft

but NO STOPPING to watch for the low flying aircraft.

 

[Petch]

Different poliical environments in Sydney versus Perth

Different everything, I might say...

Perth, and it's neat little corridor plans & new 21st century urban sprawl ideals is nothing like the haphazardness of Sydney's growth. And even when Sydney has planned (e.g. Badgerys Creek) the plans are thrown out the window because density has a different meaning in Sydney than Perth.

Even the drive from Tulla in Melbourne, is right past the old International Airport, but I can only imagine the outcry if Essendon ever wanted to handle scheduled jet services again.

But then, isn't Jandakot in Perth owned by property developers, who take every opportunity to mention Gingin as a preferred light aircraft site? As Perth’s population grows denser, and aircraft movements increase, I wonder if splitting headaches will force politicians to a similar position, as those on the east coast.

As for Sydney, one last comment, Macquarie is part of the problem, not part of the solution!

 

[oz_mark]

How is it that all our airports end up in the hands of property developers rather than airport operators? Yes, the folk that run Jandakot want to redevlop the area for housing and move the airport somewhere else, and Gingin is one of the places mentioned. There was anlother place to the south mentioed as well, somewhere around Serpentine. That is what you get when land prices escalate like they have in Perth in recent years.

There was also a suggestion of moving Perth Airport itself at one point (to Northam no less), but this idea seems to have disappeared without a trace (as it should have)

 

[Reggie]

But then, isn't Jandakot in Perth owned by property developers, who take every opportunity to mention Gingin as a preferred light aircraft site?

Ahh but Gingin is still utilised by the RAAF. Also more air traffic in that region will cause significant problems for Pearce, and they will object to that

As Perth’s population grows denser, and aircraft movements increase, I wonder if splitting headaches will force politicians to a similar position, as those on the east coast.

Have the pollies in BNE and MEL imposed curfews and restrictions as well?

In Perth, the airport is surrounded by the industrial areas, Kewdale and Welshpool to the south, and South Guildford to the north. The biggest problems may come from Guilford itself, but the planes are still fairly high at this point, and they fly across the vineyards, and the Grammer school.

 

[Reggie]

There was also a suggestion of moving Perth Airport itself at one point (to Northam no less), but this idea seems to have disappeared without a trace (as it should have)

Hey can you imagine the landings and takeoffs through the Avon Valley as per the RAAF jets.

 

[Petch]

In Perth, the airport is surrounded by the industrial areas

Next time you drive/are driven from Sydney's CBD to SYD, take a look out the window in Alexandria. Density can cause industrial to become residential very quickly!

Have the pollies in BNE and MEL imposed curfews and restrictions as well?

BNE, I think I read somewhere, is toying with the idea, and in Melbourne, as I pointed out, they simply moved the airport further away from the population. (Curfews are probably a last resort.)

 

[dajop]

How is it that all our airports end up in the hands of property developers rather than airport operators?

And in turn this ends up diminishing the utility of the airport. At MEL there is significant development going on, and more to come (can't find link but new multi storey office park being developed). I guess land is scarce, etc etc and all the good economic arguments, but such development will only add to traffic and make it less convenient and more costly to get between the airport and the city (exacerbating the traffic problems caused by rapid expansion in flights).

 

[JohnK]

Can someone please tell me where anyone is suggesting that the current Sydney airport be closed down? I always thought the discussion was about a second airport, not replacing the current airport with a new one. A scond airport wherever it is is hardly going to be "disastrous for the majority of Sydneysiders".

I never suggested that the current SYD airport be closed down. But if there is a second airport then I assume a proportionate number of flights will be switched to the new airport. Maybe domestic flights only or maybe a mixture of domestic and international. I do not want to be in a situation where my flight, ala Avalon, is scheduled out of the new airport at the back of woop woop. I am happy with the current location. Just schedule more flights or build more runways.

As for Western Sydneysiders it is their problem that they live so far from the current airport and we should not have to build a new airport just to accommodate them. We all make living choices knowing the current environment....