2024 Hilton Status Retention

[Austman]

Perhaps an odd quirk about Rollover Nights.

I'm not sure I have this 100% correct.

My current 2023 status is Diamond and my nights count is currently 54 earned nights and 1 Rollover Night from 2022 = 55 nights.

To re-qualify, Diamond needs 60 nights. Gold needs 40 nights. If I stay 5 more nights before 31st December 2023, I'll get Diamond again for all of 2024 (in fact until 31st March 2025).

But I if don't stay any more in 2023, I'll still get Diamond until 31st March 2024, then Gold for the rest of 2024 and 14 (54 - 40) Rollover Nights from 2023.

The 14 Rollover Nights will mean I'd only have to earn 46 nights in 2024 to become Diamond again. Based on my current stay patterns, I'd do that by August 2024 at which point I'd be made Diamond again for the rest of 2024 and all of 2025 (in fact until 31st March 2026).

All the above, if I have it right, would mean I'd only drop to Gold from 1st April 2024 to sometime in August 2024.

Yet if I stay 5 more nights before 31st December 2023, I'll get Diamond but I'll have to earn a full 60 nights again in 2024 to retain it!

Somehow it seems more logical to just "suffer" 4 or 5 months of Gold in 2024 (and maybe again in 2026).

 

[justinbrett]

Not sure it's a quirk, you're forgoing 46 nights of Diamond benefits (although you don't specify the spread throughout the year, so if it is front loaded before March, then perhaps that is a quirk).

Of course this is subject to whether you value Diamond over Gold, if you do value Diamond (ie lots of changes to use ELs, potential for upgrades, extra points) then possibly the 5 extra nights this year might be worth it.

Now, as someone who stays mostly in the US, I would say Diamond isn't really worth it in general, but if you do value Diamond then I'd go for the extra 5 nights.

 

[Austman]

Not sure it's a quirk, you're forgoing 46 nights of Diamond benefits (although you don't specify the spread throughout the year, so if it is front loaded before March, then perhaps that is a quirk).

Not necessarily.

I have 14 nights that are Rollover Nights that I've for sure earned already that will become my minimum number of 2024 Rollover Nights if I don't re-qualify for Diamond by 31st December 2023 by earning 5 more nights.

In 2024, AFAIK, I'll still be Diamond until 31st March 2024. Regardless.

It's about how soon I might earn the extra 46 nights needed to re-earn Diamond for the rest of 2024. If I can do that before 31st March 2024, I'd not lose Diamond status at all. And I'd have it throughout 2024, 2025 and until 31st March 2026.

But if I earn the extra 5 nights in 2023, I'd need to earn a full 60 nights in 2024 to re-qualify as Diamond. Not just 46 nights. Because my Rollover Nights would reset to zero for 2024.

That's the quirk.

I think!

 

[justinbrett]

Not necessarily.

The 46 nights are the Rollover Nights that I've for sure earned already that will become my minimum number of 2024 Rollover Nights if I don't re-qualify for Diamond by 31st December 2023.

In 2024, AFAIK, I'll still be Diamond until 31st March 2024. Regardless.

It's about how soon I might earn the extra 14 nights needed to secure Diamond for the rest of 2024. If I can do that before 31st March 2024, I'd not lose Diamond status at all. And I'd have it throughout 2024, 2025 and until 31st March 2026.

But if I earn the extra 5 nights in 2023, I'd need to earn a full 60 nights in 2024 to re-qualify as Diamond. Not just 14 nights. Because my Rollover Nights would reset to zero for 2024.

That's the quirk.

I think!

You've really confused me.

If you have 55 nights now (-1 for rollover), at the end of the year you'll fail to maintain Diamond. So you get Gold.

54 - 40 = 14. You rollover 14 nights.

In 2024 you need to stay 46 more nights to re-attain Diamond.

Side matter, if you re-attain Diamond before end of March, whilst still Diamond - does that give you two years Diamond or just one? If you haven't actually dropped would it just register as a renewal?

 

[Austman]

You've really confused me.

Sorry - I typed in some reversed numbers. Then quickly made an edit. But you beat me!

Side matter, if you re-attain Diamond before end of March, whilst still Diamond - does that give you two years Diamond or just one? If you haven't actually dropped would it just register as a renewal?

I believe so. That's part of the "quirk".

Even if I drop status to Gold for 2024, it doesn't become Gold until 31st of March 2024. There's 3 months of "complimentary", retained, in my case Diamond, status.

But if I earned just 46 nights at anytime during 2024, I'd immediately get back Diamond for the rest of 2024 and all of 2025. In fact up to 31st March 2026.

I think!

It, sort of, makes it not worthwhile for me to go for the extra 5 nights in 2023 because I'd then need to earn the full 60 nights to re-qualify in 2024. Of course it can all depend on your stay patterns.

 

[justinbrett]

Sorry - I typed in some reversed numbers. Then quickly made an edit. But you beat me!



I believe so. That's part of the "quirk".

Even if I drop status to Gold for 2024, it doesn't become Gold until 31st of March 2024. But if I earn just 46 nights at anytime during 2024, I'd immediately get back Diamond for the rest of 2024 and all of 2025. In fact up to 31st March 2026.

I think!

I mean this all relies on you staying 46/90 nights in the first three months of the year, which is a pretty difficult feat for most. Otherwise if it means doing 46 nights without Diamond benefits I'd argue it's not worth it.

If you can do it, go for it.

I'm still not convinced if you requalified before end of March, and therefore never lost your Diamond status, you'd get the extra year - but I guess the solution to that would be to make your final night after 01 April.

 

[Austman]

I mean this all relies on you staying 46/90 nights in the first three months of the year, which is a pretty difficult feat for most. Otherwise if it means doing 46 nights without Diamond benefits I'd argue it's not worth it.

Or I just drop to Gold for a while until I earn the 46 nights. For me, that might be for 3 or 4 months after 31st March 2024. Possibly, probably earlier.

It's much easier to earn 46 nights than 60 nights!

 

[justinbrett]

Or I just drop to Gold for a while until I earn the 46 nights. For me, that might be for 3 or 4 months after 31st March 2024. Possibly, probably less.

It's much easier to earn 46 nights than 60 nights!

Sure, but then it's just status for the sake of status.

The reason you get status is to use it when you stay at Hilton, so if you need to make statusless stays at Hilton to re-attain, then doesn't it defeat the purpose?

 

[Austman]

The reason you get status is to use it when you stay at Hilton, so if you need to make statusless stays at Hilton to re-attain, then doesn't it defeat the purpose?

A slight variation would be for me to stay just 4 of the 5 more required nights in 2023. Then I'd only need 42 nights in 2024 to re-qualify as Diamond.

And yes, I see your augment.

My counter argument is that while I might lose Diamond status in 2024 for a short time (down to Gold) it will be much easier to earn it for the rest of 2024 which will also qualify for all of 2025 and to 31st March 2026.

 

[justinbrett]

A slight variation would be for me to stay just 4 of the 5 more required nights in 2023. Then I'd only need 42 nights in 2024 to re-qualify as Diamond.

And yes, I see your augment.

My counter argument is that while I might lose Diamond status in 2024 for a short time (down to Gold) it will be much easier to earn it for the rest of 2024 which will also qualify for all of 2025 and to 31st March 2026.

Why would you only need 42 and not 60 in 2024? If you just scrape in at 60, nothing would rollover.

I retained by stays this year, not nights. I had a lot of 1 night stays on a couple of road trips.

Edit - oh, I see, you mean reach 59 nights this year, just to reduce the number next year.

 

[Flashback]

After a poor stay at the Hilton Amman back in April, I boycotted the chain and haven't had a single stay since. My Diamond will expire in March next year and I have about 700k points to use. I generally find their best use is out of the way places, or national parks in the US where the only option is a Hampton by Hilton; where status makes no difference so will likely whittle them down over time on those types of trips.

 

[Austman]

Why would you only need 42 and not 60 in 2024? If you just scrape in at 60, nothing would rollover.

Because if I stay just 4 more nights in 2023, I'd drop to Gold but earn 18 Rollover Nights. Rollover nights that I'd not earn if I stayed 5 nights and re-qualified as Diamond.

I'd then only need 42 nights (not 60) to re-qualify as Diamond during 2024.

Which would make me Diamond for the rest of 2024, all of 2025 and up to 31st March 2026.

And I'd be Diamond anyway until 31st March 2024. I don't think I'd be Gold after then for long.

 

[justinbrett]

Because if I stay just 4 more nights in 2023, I'd drop to Gold but earn 18 Rollover Nights. Rollover nights that I'd not earn if I stayed 5 nights and re-qualified as Diamond.

I'd then only need 42 nights (not 60) to re-qualify as Diamond during 2024.

Which would make me Diamond for the rest of 2024, all of 2025 and up to 31st March 2026.

And I'd be Diamond anyway until 31st March 2024. I don't think I'd be Gold after then for long.

Yeah I'm with @Flashback, I just don't think Hilton status is that valuable.

I retained Diamond this year, but won't go out of my way anymore. So many people in the US have Diamond Status these days through credit card perks, it's completely killed the system.

 

[Austman]

Yeah I'm with @Flashback, I just don't think Hilton status is that valuable.

I retained Diamond this year, but won't go out of my way anymore. So many people in the US have Diamond Status these days through credit card perks, it's completely killed the system.

Fair enough. But that's got nothing to do with my post questioning Rollover Nights.

I personally do get good value from Hilton. But I agree the US is terrible for benefits.

 

[justinbrett]

Fair enough. But that's got nothing to do with my post questioning Rollover Nights.

I personally do get good value from Hilton. But I agree the US is terrible for benefits.

More just a comment that your plan seems to be a hard slog just to retain status for status' sake - but anyway you do you.

I guess if you can do it before April as a matter of course, this is a good way to do it.

 

[Austman]

More just a comment that your plan seems to be a hard slog just to retain status for status' sake - but anyway you do you.

It's about making an intelligent decision. Many on AFF will do mattress runs, status runs etc.

I'm thinking NOT to do that because, in my current situation, due to a possible quirk of the Hilton Honors system, it's probably unnecessary for me to do that.

So no "hard slog" at all!

In fact I probably need do nothing, due to the quirk. Not stay 5 more nights in 2023. Not stay 4 more nights in 2023. Not stay at all for the rest of 2023 unless I have a trip planned.

But I will have trips planned in the future!

 

[justinbrett]

It's about making an intelligent decision. Many on AFF will do mattress runs, status runs etc.

I'm thinking NOT to do that because, in my current situation, due to a possible quirk of the Hilton Honors system, it's probably unnecessary for me to do that.

So no "hard slog" at all!

In fact I probably need do nothing, due to the quirk. Not stay 5 more nights in 2023. Not stay 4 more nights in 2023. Not stay at all for the rest of 2023 unless I have a trip planned.

But I will have trips planned in the future!

But that was the point I was trying to make, if you would have stayed those nights anyway, great. Just don't do a 46-night mattress run!

 

[Austman]

Just don't do a 46-night mattress run!

Naaa!

It was more about if I needed to do a 5 night mattress run before the end of 2023!

I kinda think there's no need (in my case) and it might even be a negative step to even do it and lose the Rollover Nights.

 

[serfty]

I believe rollover nights only count if you requalify your current level and end up having more nights than required.

I was checking the T&C for rollover nights specifically this week and that is what appeared to me to be the case.

Terms and Conditions for Hilton Honors Member Rewards

Read terms and conditions for Hilton Honors hotel rewards and its benefits. From points to membership tiers, find information here.

www.hilton.com

 

[Austman]

I believe rollover nights only count if you requalify your current level and end up having more nights than required.

Thanks serfty.

That's important if correct.

But I note that it's not thought to be correct on some websites. With statements like:

"Any extra qualifying nights beyond those needed for the tier you earn in a given year will count toward the following year’s status."

And on the Hilton T&Cs it's:

"Members are only eligible to rollover qualifying nights in excess of those nights required to qualify for a member’s elite status level at the end of the calendar year."

In my situation, my 2023 qualifying elite status tier with an earn of 54 nights, is currently Gold. But Gold only needs 40 nights. I'm Diamond until 31st March 2024 (I think) but at the end of 2023 if I don't stay any more nights, it's Gold I've earned/qualified for.

As a Gold, my Rollover Nights would be 14.

As stated before! I THINK that's what they will be!