US Airways 100% bonus SHARE promo @ 1.0cpm!

[drivatruk]

So if A has 100,000 miles and he shares 50,000 miles each with two others, B and C, is that permissible? Or is 50,000 miles the limit of transfer by A in this promotion?

the way i understand it is the person getting the points gets the bonus not the giver so i think you can share all you like.

 

[casanovawa]

Hmmm, so i have 134,000 miles in my account at the moment, if i could find someone who wanted to share i would share 50,000 (dropping me down to 84,000 miles) and would receive 100,000 (so taking me up to 184,000 miles)... And it would cost $567 so a cost per point of 1.135 cents...

Suppose it could be worth it as i am thinking of booking a couple of awards next year, maybe an US/EU one and a North Asia... If anyone is interested let me know...

Bit of a bugger if there isn't going to be a GS12 as was looking forward to that, but I guess we would have heard about it by now if there was going to be one...

 

[smit0847]

If anyone is interested let me know...

PM sent - it sounds perfect for my situation as described a few posts earlier.

 

[Foreigner]

I did one transaction for 50k miles, 24 hours ago. Nothing on the credit card or the respective DM accounts. I'll check again tomorrow and if there's nothing, will call US Air.

 

[kamchatsky]

I did one transaction for 50k miles, 24 hours ago. Nothing on the credit card or the respective DM accounts. I'll check again tomorrow and if there's nothing, will call US Air.

It can take up to 72 hours for the transaction to come through.

 

[casanovawa]

Do you know if you got a friend to open a DM account could you share to them almost straight away, but would they have to wait for their account to be open 12 days before trying to share back???

 

[markis10]

Do you know if you got a friend to open a DM account could you share to them almost straight away, but would they have to wait for their account to be open 12 days before trying to share back???

The account must be open for 12 days to share to or from, Markis10jr has 6 days to go .

 

[smit0847]

For anyone out there like me that has 2 accounts open, but no miles in either and wants to try and take advantage of this share deal, I've been crunching numbers.

I've been trying to find about the sweet spot where, if you buy a small number of miles (at full price) and share back and forth till each account has 50K bonus for the least amount of money. Obviously anything where the total is less than $17.50 per 1,000 miles (being the 100% buy bonus price) is a good deal. The killer with doing these small transfers is that you are charged a $30 'transfer fee' each time, so the trick is to do as few transfers as possible.

I've calculated various combos of small buy purchases to start off with (everything from 2,000 to 25,000 miles) and believe the sweet spot is to buy 10,000 miles at full price in one account, then share back and forth until each account has 50k bonus. Doing is this way Account 1 ends up with 60K miles and Account 2 50K miles and the total miles are $13.36 per 1,000 miles.

PM me if you want the exact share calculations.

I assume you can share back and forth between 2 accounts until you hit your 50K shared each?

 

[mhen]

For anyone out there like me that has 2 accounts open, but no miles in either and wants to try and take advantage of this share deal, I've been crunching numbers.

I've been trying to find about the sweet spot where, if you buy a small number of miles (at full price) and share back and forth till each account has 50K bonus for the least amount of money. Obviously anything where the total is less than $17.50 per 1,000 miles (being the 100% buy bonus price) is a good deal. The killer with doing these small transfers is that you are charged a $30 'transfer fee' each time, so the trick is to do as few transfers as possible.

I've calculated various combos of small buy purchases to start off with (everything from 2,000 to 25,000 miles) and believe the sweet spot is to buy 10,000 miles at full price in one account, then share back and forth until each account has 50k bonus. Doing is this way Account 1 ends up with 60K miles and Account 2 50K miles and the total miles are $13.36 per 1,000 miles.

PM me if you want the exact share calculations.

I assume you can share back and forth between 2 accounts until you hit your 50K shared each?

Hi smit0847
I have been doing some similar calculations but using some "extra" accounts to increase the total number of bonus miles thatcan be gained.
If you had two extra accounts (perhaps parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews etc might like to join DM) you can do the sharing in those accounts until you have 100K in total and then share 50k to each of your accounts.

Just as an example based on two accounts A and B, set up two more accounts C and D, wait 12 days and then do the following:
A buys 5K - result A5, B0, C0, D0
A shares 5K with C - result A0, B0, C10, D0
C shares 10K with D - result A0, B0, C0, D20
D shares 20K with C - result A0, B0, C40, D0
C shares 40K with D - result A0, B0, C0, D80
D shares 25K with C - result A0, B0, C50, D55
D shares 50K with A - result A100, B0, C50, D5
C shares 50K with B - result A100, B100, C0, D5

Like you I am assuming that you can share back and forth between accounts until each account receives the 50K share limit (excluding bonus).

A and B end up with 100K each. D is left with 5K but that could be kept for the next sharing promo. Even ignoring the 5K left over in D the cost per 1,000 is only $13.04 (if I have calculated correctly!).

 

[markis10]

The issue you will have is the time it takes to share!

 

[anat0l]

The issue you will have is the time it takes to share!

Duly noted. I created a couple more accounts yesterday, so will have to wait until at least 20 October to start doing anything (except my own account, where I can at least put the "seeding" balance of miles in, with the 100% Buy bonus I have, too).

Given that each Share can take 72 hours, I'm weary about how long the chain I'm trying to make. On top of that, I'm a bit weary about any alarm bells being raised about creating share chains.

 

[smit0847]

Hi smit0847
I have been doing some similar calculations but using some "extra" accounts to increase the total number of bonus miles thatcan be gained.
If you had two extra accounts (perhaps parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews etc might like to join DM) you can do the sharing in those accounts until you have 100K in total and then share 50k to each of your accounts.

Just as an example based on two accounts A and B, set up two more accounts C and D, wait 12 days and then do the following:
A buys 5K - result A5, B0, C0, D0
A shares 5K with C - result A0, B0, C10, D0
C shares 10K with D - result A0, B0, C0, D20
D shares 20K with C - result A0, B0, C40, D0
C shares 40K with D - result A0, B0, C0, D80
D shares 25K with C - result A0, B0, C50, D55
D shares 50K with A - result A100, B0, C50, D5
C shares 50K with B - result A100, B100, C0, D5

Like you I am assuming that you can share back and forth between accounts until each account receives the 50K share limit (excluding bonus).

A and B end up with 100K each. D is left with 5K but that could be kept for the next sharing promo. Even ignoring the 5K left over in D the cost per 1,000 is only $13.04 (if I have calculated correctly!).

Have you included the $30 per share fee?

 

[smit0847]

Duly noted. I created a couple more accounts yesterday, so will have to wait until at least 20 October to start doing anything (except my own account, where I can at least put the "seeding" balance of miles in, with the 100% Buy bonus I have, too).

Given that each Share can take 72 hours, I'm weary about how long the chain I'm trying to make. On top of that, I'm a bit weary about any alarm bells being raised about creating share chains.

If you're doing 6 shares from new accounts (D and C) you will need 18 days so wont have it done by 31 Oct.

Do they really take 72 hours? I thought I read lots of people on FT saying they were instant?!?

I've never heard of US investigating ANYONE for manipulating their accounts - I doubt they would have a special every few weeks if they were concerned about people rorting it!!

 

[markis10]

Do they really take 72 hours? I thought I read lots of people on FT saying they were instant?!?

I've never heard of US investigating ANYONE for manipulating their accounts - I doubt they would have a special every few weeks if they were concerned about people rorting it!!

Yes, very close to 72 hours!

For those wondering it took close to 72 hours for the share points to hit my recipients account - so those who are going to do long sharing chains, be wary of any possible sharing delays.

 

[anat0l]

Do they really take 72 hours? I thought I read lots of people on FT saying they were instant?!?

If it was 'instant' there would be no problem.

Many people on FT are in the USA so I'd imagine 'instant' is not completely unreasonable. There has been a bit of talk around here that it can take up to 72 hours to fully process (your credit card charged and points land in the correct accounts).

I've never heard of US investigating ANYONE for manipulating their accounts - I doubt they would have a special every few weeks if they were concerned about people rorting it!!

I can't remember how or where, but I thought there have been some reports of US DM closing accounts (in the same manner as other loyalty programs do - no explanation given, all points lost instantly). Happy to be pulled up on it, but suffice to say whenever anyone does anything that looks very unusual, red flags always have to be considered. It's not a reason not to do it per se, but to know that one may be taking a risk with a system where the merchant practically holds all the cards.

 

[casanovawa]

Hmmm, howz this for working out...

I have 134,000 miles in my account at the moment... I also have 3 family member accounts that i opened last GS11 to see if i could get some extra points but nothing really eventuated, but they are in existance anyway... I also have a couple of friends that i might like to help...

So it gets complicated but I'll see if i can work it through... My Account is C, my family accounts I'll call F1, F2 and F3 and friends accounts i will call A1 and A2 for simplicity (these need to be opened now)..

C - 134,000 F1 - 0 F2 - 0 F3 - 0 A1 - 0 A2 - 0 C gives 50,000 to F1 and 50,000 to A1 at $567.50 each (including tax and $30 fee) = $1135.00

C - 34,000 F1 - 100,000 F2 - 0 F3 - 0 A1 - 100,000 A2 - 0 F1 gives 50,000 to F2 and to A2 at $567.50 each = $1135.00

C - 34,000 F1 - 0 F2 - 100,000 F3 - 0 A1 - 100,000 A2 - 100,000 F2 gives 50,000 to C and 50,000 to F3 = $1135.00

Resulting in
C - 134,000 F1 - 0 F2 - 0 F3 - 100,000 A1 - 100,000 A2 - 100,000

I have an extra 100,000 points in my F3 account, i have supplied 2 friends accounts with 100,000 points each giving them a big headstart to a J trip each, total cost is $1135.00 times 3 and i ask them to pay me 2 x $1135.00....

So for each account the average cost per mile is 1.135 cents... And because nearly all are open at present the whole 12 day waiting period for the new accounts to open is pretty inconsequential?

Does that look about right???

Edit: Alternatively i could work it so i keep all the points and so for about $4,500 i reckon I could get 4 J semi or full RTW fares over 4 years not counting the original 134,000 miles... Hmmm....

 

[smit0847]

Hi smit0847
I have been doing some similar calculations but using some "extra" accounts to increase the total number of bonus miles thatcan be gained.
If you had two extra accounts (perhaps parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews etc might like to join DM) you can do the sharing in those accounts until you have 100K in total and then share 50k to each of your accounts.

Just as an example based on two accounts A and B, set up two more accounts C and D, wait 12 days and then do the following:
A buys 5K - result A5, B0, C0, D0
A shares 5K with C - result A0, B0, C10, D0
C shares 10K with D - result A0, B0, C0, D20
D shares 20K with C - result A0, B0, C40, D0
C shares 40K with D - result A0, B0, C0, D80
D shares 25K with C - result A0, B0, C50, D55
D shares 50K with A - result A100, B0, C50, D5
C shares 50K with B - result A100, B100, C0, D5

Like you I am assuming that you can share back and forth between accounts until each account receives the 50K share limit (excluding bonus).

A and B end up with 100K each. D is left with 5K but that could be kept for the next sharing promo. Even ignoring the 5K left over in D the cost per 1,000 is only $13.04 (if I have calculated correctly!).

I just did the sums myself on this. I calculate $11.92 per 1,000 miles plus whatever tax is charged on buying and sharing (not the $30 sharing fee).

Very good maths!

 

[Alanslegal]

Just as an example based on two accounts A and B, set up two more accounts C and D, wait 12 days and then do the following:

A buys 5K - result A5, B0, C0, D0 $188.12
A shares 5K with C - result A0, B0, C10, D0 $83.75
C shares 10K with D - result A0, B0, C0, D20 $137.50
D shares 20K with C - result A0, B0, C40, D0 $245.00
C shares 40K with D - result A0, B0, C0, D80 $460.00
D shares 25K with C - result A0, B0, C50, D55 $298.75
D shares 50K with A - result A100, B0, C50, D5 $567.50
C shares 50K with B - result A100, B100, C0, D5 $567.50

Total cost is $2548.12 for 205k miles

 

[kamchatsky]

Do they really take 72 hours? I thought I read lots of people on FT saying they were instant?!?

I am sure non-US credit card details has something to do with it ....

 

[mhen]

Have you included the $30 per share fee?

Yes but I included it for all when it doesn't apply to the initial buy so cost is even less:

This was a complicated example as I was basing it on smit0847's post. However the concept can be useful in other less complicated ways.

For example A has at least 25K already and want to take advantage of the current share bonus. If A had access to account B then A shares 25K with B, B can then share 50K back to A. End result A has increased account by 75K at a cost of $870.75 i.e. $11.61 per 1,000.

Another example Two accounts A and B with A having at least 50K. If there is another account C then A can share 50K with C. C now has 100K which can be shared as 50K to A and 50K to B. End result A has gone up by 50K and B has gone up by 100K. Total cost for these aditional 150K is $1709.25 i.e. $11.40 per 1,000.

Each situation is different depending on initial balances, number of accounts, whether account has current targetted buy/gift 100% bonus offer etc but the careful use of additional account(s) can increase the number of miles that can be acquired under this share promo which represents the cheapest miles since the last share promo a couple of years ago.

I am not concerned that US Air will object to these transfers I think they are more concerned with people selling award tickets than they are people accumulating miles. But from previous experience I know that a number of transactions on the same credit card (usually about 3 or 4) can cause points.com to reject transactions. When this has happened to me in the past I have got it resolved but it did take some days. If you are doing a number of buy/gift or share transactions ensure you have access to more than one credit card particularly if you are doing transactions within time constraints.