Business Class Lounges should be limited to OWE flyers only.

[gumpy]

I think OWE are lucky to get access to a J Lounge as oppose to J flyers being lucky to be in the lounge which is named after them...

The place is overcrowded from the OWEs not the J ticket holders...

Where you just trying to be controversial?

 

[dfcatch]

I think OWE are lucky to get access to a J Lounge as oppose to J flyers being lucky to be in the lounge which is named after them...

The place is overcrowded from the OWEs not the J ticket holders...

Where you just trying to be controversial?

Well, no J lounge in CNS.

So if flying J (and not a WP/SG/QP), guess what - you get complimentary access to the QP

If it's good enough for J flyers here - it's good enough for J flyers in MEL/SYD too

 

[JohnK]

In all seriousness....

I think OWE are lucky to get access to a J Lounge as oppose to J flyers being lucky to be in the lounge which is named after them...

Forget what the lounge is called! If memory serves me right domestic business class did not originally have access to lounges unless they had access to lounges via status. Aren't business travellers also limited in the number of guests they can bring into the lounge? Can they actually have a guest?

Also for international a business class passenger can enter the business lounge where as a Platinum can access the First Class Lounges.

I think QF have a fair idea who is more important and it is not the business class passenger although the way "enhancements" are going that may change.

The place is overcrowded from the OWEs not the J ticket holders...

Stop the double SC promotions....

 

[Stephen65]

Aren't business travellers also limited in the number of guests they can bring into the lounge? Can they actually have a guest?

Yes. You can guest someone into the J lounge if you have a J ticket regardless of FF status or QP membership. I've only ever brought one in and haven't had occasion to try for more than one.

If we're talking about removing the riff-raff from the J lounge how about we start with everyone who isn't actually flying J class?

The bazillion discounted Y flights you did to become a WP doesn't turn you into a J class passenger.

 

[trippin_the_rift]

In all seriousness....

Stop the double SC promotions....

Agreed. I know of a FF who was comped 2 years in a row WP (despite failing to reach 500SC), then just this last 6 months received double SC promo as his membership is running out. Not a major spender while WP either.

The bazillion discounted Y flights you did to become a WP doesn't turn you into a J class passenger.

Does the bazillion J flights I do turn me into a F Lounge passenger?

 

[JohnK]

If we're talking about removing the riff-raff from the J lounge how about we start with everyone who isn't actually flying J class?

This thread was started in good fun and some people are taking it way too seriously.

If you bothered to even read the rest of my post you will note that until recently business class passengers did not even have access to domestic lounges and as for international the riff-raff get to access a better lounge that business class passengers.

The bazillion discounted Y flights you did to become a WP doesn't turn you into a J class passenger.

Who cares about business class passengers? Certainly Qantas does not otherwise they would not be below Platinums.

Anyway I pay for my own flights and do not need to sponge off the taxpayer or some extremely generous travel policy eating away at company's profits.

By the way just because you travel business class does not make you special. You want to put anymore people down while you are at it? How about the cleaner? Or the plumber? Get real and grow up....

 

[djfuzz]

• The meals would appear from near the toilets (yuk!)

FWIW, this is the exactly what happens now at the MEL J lounge.

 

[Stephen65]

Now who's getting touchy and not taking this thread in a spirit of fun?

My post was posted in exactly the same spirit of fun as the OP's. I couldn't quite believe that he was suggesting that the J lounge not be available for J passengers.

If we want to delve back into the history of QP access my recollection is that originally only paid members of the QP were allowed in. QFF status allowing entry only came later.

 

[JohnK]

If we want to delve back into the history of QP access my recollection is that originally only paid members of the QP were allowed in. QFF status allowing entry only came later.

And business class passengers were allowed access last.

Doesn't that tell you something?

 

[shambles]

I'm just new to AFF, have been a voyeur for yonks but only joined recently and have really appreciated some of the excellent info & tips on here. I must say I was a bit hesitant to join as sensed a degree of "who's got the biggest pile of platinum cards" which, all joking aside, seems to pop up or at least is an undertone, in threads like this. I guess time will tell if I have joined a good bunch who like a bit of Aussie larrakin fun or if it's more like what I'd expect from a bunch of w**ker seppos as they jostle to board 1st on a AA NYC-LAX flight, thrusting out their diamond encrusted platinum, diamond-elite-tier1, higher than stratospere, "MEMBER" cards that, lets face it, ain't gonna get them in the air any quicker than the people in 348 E

So - my opinion for the OP after my little rant..

I don't get the privelege of company or govt funded J class travel, but have prob taken about 450 discount Y flights (mainly QF & BA) in the last 5 years and have maintained QF Gold for some time (typically hit 650-750 SC a year, 10 or 15 at a time ! ). I work damn hard for my employer, and lots of flying means long days, so I appreciate the value of easier check-ins and a drink/feed & easy www access that the lounges provide. I probably typify what some describe as the "riff raff" as I'll occasionally use points to upgrade to business and I then I'll saunter (cos that's how you are supposed to walk in there ) into the OWE/Bus lounge, and enjoy the nicer wine list and fancier dips & fromage than the regular lounge. Must admit though, on those such occasions, I often enjoy a quiet giggle to myself when I sit in the business lounge having changed into some comfy shorts, shoes and a singlet (in summer obviously) when on the recieving end of not so subtle downward looks from the financial services sector snoobs, as if to say this tattooed loser has no right to be in "their little club".

So - if you have got a business class ticket, or you've earned the OWE status, enjoy what the lounge has to offer and stop being a real "member" - worrying about who else is in there with you

 

[Stephen65]

The reality is that all three of the following types of passengers contribute to QF's profits and the airline wants to encourage all of them:

- people who fly a lot for work on Y or discounted Y and who are not especially profitable per flight but who fly so often that it adds up to a good annual profit, so QF want to encourage them to keep flying by offering status bonuses including QP access;

- people who don't fly enough to get status based access to the QP but who want to enjoy QP access on a Y ticket so QF charges them $400 odd which is almost all pure profit especially because these passengers won't be using the QP very much;

- people who fly paid J class for work or leisure occasionally. QF makes such a huge profit margin on each of these tickets that it wants to encourage them as much as possible including QP access

Banter between posters as to worthiness of each type for the privileges offered is not unknown on this board and usually stays at the humorous level.

 

[codash1099]

What's a J lounge? I'd like to see one in PER DOM so I could be kept out of it when I drop back to SG.

Oh, and renaming the PER QP INT as the "Business Lounge" doesn't change anything.

 

[medhead]

If we want to delve back into the history of QP access my recollection is that originally only paid members of the QP were allowed in. QFF status allowing entry only came later.

Exactly and where is the option to kick out anyone not prepared to stump up cold hard cash to use the lounge. Bring back the old ways I say.

 

[QF029]

Anyway I pay for my own flights and do not need to sponge off the taxpayer or some extremely generous travel policy eating away at company's profits.

It seems to me John that you want every shortcut to Platinum taken away. Except the ones that you use?

 

[nlagalle]

It seems to me John that you want every shortcut to Platinum taken away. Except the ones that you use?

I don't think that is the case, rather people who might earn WP the "easy" way think the hard sloggers don't deserve it..

 

[JohnK]

It seems to me John that you want every shortcut to Platinum taken away. Except the ones that you use?

Relly? I think some shortcuts are absolutely ridiculous.

- Double SCs? Why bother? Just give status away to anyone who wants it?
- Any seat awards as the QFF points required is almost the same as a classic award (how many people do not know the difference yet one earns SCs and the other does not) but earns an extremely generous amount of SCs
- Jetstar *Class as I really do not believe it is business class. Perhaps premium economy SCs but definitely not business class SCs

And what does it really matter what I think about shortcuts anyway? I do a lot of short haul domestic and you will find some people believe that the cheap airfares should not earn SCs.

Right or wrong we are all entitled to an opinion. By the way I do more than my fair of flying and I am loyal to Qantas most of the time.

 

[toronto]

I presume you're only referring to the DOM lounges, as otherwise you'd be creating a bizarre precedent.

Firstly, I don't ever see this happening; and secondly, with all due respect, I don't agree. I don't see how removing J pax who have paid for J tickets helps the situation of overcrowding or reducing OWE amenity any. In fact, access to the J lounge is not even a OWE benefit, just one that QF grants at its discretion.

Rather than trying to remove people who are entitled to be in the lounge the more logical step, like it or not (and I don't like it), is to further restrict or even remove guests. Up to 2/3 of the lounge could potentially be made up of guests who may or may not be flying, and aren't otherwise contributing to QF's coffers in a meaningful way - there's your free kick right there. As has been mentioned ad nauseum elsewhere, if guest access was limited to a certain number of passes per year (based on status), then use of guest access would be dependent on the member's discretion, more flexible and require them to make a call on when they could best use it; and regular overcrowding would decrease substantially.

Seems like there's a lot of focus on reducing benefits without a proper analysis of what (if any) impact such removal would have, and whether the objectives of changing benefits would be met in other, more effective ways.

Agree about restriction of guests Plat can bring into the business lounge. Very good idea to issue a number of passes and the holder of Plat will decided in which way to and when to use.

 

[QF029]

And what does it really matter what I think about shortcuts anyway?

My observation after reading your posts over several years is that you tend to criticize earning opportunities that are not available or beneficial to you. Have you received a double status credits offer? If so did you take advantage of it? If not was it on principle or because it didn't suit?

By the way I do more than my fair of flying and I am loyal to Qantas most of the time.

There is no "fair share". And some of your SC's come from runs in Asia. Some people would consider that 'cheating the system'. And in my view you, (and I for that matter) don't show any loyalty but you'd have to read my previous thread on that.

 

[JohnK]

My observation after reading your posts over several years is that you tend to criticize earning opportunities that are not available or beneficial to you. Have you received a double status credits offer? If so did you take advantage of it? If not was it on principle or because it didn't suit?

Yes I received the last double SCs offer in December. It is not suitable as I book my travel months in advance. Is it wrong to be against double SCs offers for anyone?

There is no "fair share".

Yes there is.

And some of your SC's come from runs in Asia. Some people would consider that 'cheating the system'.

I look for value in airfares. Your point? I have done YUPs, LAN run, will do a NAN run if I was desperate, I will use any seat awards, I maxxed out a Oneworld award just for the fun ot it, I flew arounf Australia on easy points before they closed the loophole, I was going to fly around Asia on CX until they closed the loophole, I flew AY business class and loved tag flights, I flew the Qld milk run, I fly/and wlll continue to fly CX business class, I will try RJ soon, refuse to fly Jetstar, will maximise a DONE if I had more money, have used BA premium economy for extrs SCs, will route in convoluted ways to earn extra SCs (eg SYD-MEL-PER-SIN-BKK-SIN-PER-SYD), purchase airfares originating overseas for my regular trips to Thailand, I am accumulating miles on VS, I will start to utilise cash + awards on BD and I commute SYD-BNE almost weekly.

I don't ask for handouts and I spend the time researching these things for hours and hours. Now I am sure all of that makes me a bad person....

 

[shambles]

I look for value in airfares. Your point? I have done YUPs, LAN run, will do a NAN run if I was desperate, I will use any seat awards, I maxxed out a Oneworld award just for the fun ot it, I flew arounf Australia on easy points before they closed the loophole, I was going to fly around Asia on CX until they closed the loophole, I flew AY business class and loved tag flights, I flew the Qld milk run, I fly/and wlll continue to fly CX business class, I will try RJ soon, refuse to fly Jetstar, will maximise a DONE if I had more money, have used BA premium economy for extrs SCs, will route in convoluted ways to earn extra SCs (eg SYD-MEL-PER-SIN-BKK-SIN-PER-SYD), purchase airfares originating overseas for my regular trips to Thailand, I am accumulating miles on VS, I will start to utilise cash + awards on BD and I commute SYD-BNE almost weekly.

YIKES, don't know if I'm in awe or losing control of my tail-growing muscle! I think I've just read a potential vision of me in 5 years - I'd better get back to my Shiraz and my comfy sofa to make the most of it. Looks like I'm going to be enjoying Red wine for a while longer but it's gonna be from a suitcase or a trolley
Now off to read up on NAN's LAN's & YUP's. Can you get a degree in this stuff? :idea: