Trans-Tasman routes to become "domestic"

[Mwenenzi]

The Australian newspaper of today says reduction from 12 to 8 minutes. Whoppeee
Going thru SYD ex NZ 90% of the time I just get stamped and bypass quarantrine now, which is they are stating will happen for "low risk" travellers

Its all just spin from Pollies

..In any case, incoming immigration is never really a big problem unlike the days of ol', especially with many more people with new passports....

For NZ it is. NZ has very low barriers to permanent residency & citiszenship. One of the few countres where you changes status from visitor to peramanent IN the country. 1000's of people ex Zimbawee for example. For 1000's NZ residency is side step to Au residency. A very large % of "NZ"ers emmigrating to Au are not born in NZ.

 

[Dave Noble]

One of the few countres where you changes status from visitor to peramanent IN the country.

Just like Australia for example

 

[harvyk]

Again, this ignores the fact that at a minimum it's 2.5 to 3 hour flight, and I've once had to wait for 50 minutes at baggage collection. Be it 12 minutes or 8 minutes, I'm hardly going to notice the time savings compared to all the other things that take time.

It's not like a flight from SYD-CBR where a saving of a few minutes actually adds up (like most european \ north american countries which have made common borders).

I find it funny they are congratulating themselves over a %2 time saving of the total trip. (assuming ariving at the airport 2 hours prior to take off, 3 hour flight, and 30 minutes to clear customs, collect baggage and clear MAF)

If they want true "day trips" style of business, they need to get concorde to fly the route, as it's the flying bit inbetween which is preventing people from running across the tasman for the day. Assuming that there was no customs, immi, MAF \ AQIS on either end (so a true dom experience), it'd still take roughly 7 hours out of a standard working day of 8 to go from SYD \ MEL to AKL for the day.

 

[oz_mark]

If they want true "day trips" style of business, they need to get concorde to fly the route, as it's the flying bit inbetween which is preventing people from running across the tasman for the day. Assuming that there was no customs, immi, MAF \ AQIS on either end (so a true dom experience), it'd still take roughly 7 hours out of a standard working day of 8 to go from SYD \ MEL to AKL for the day.

Where does it say the aim is for a "day trip" style of business?

There are domestic trips where a day trip would take an even bigger bite out of the working day!

 

[harvyk]

Where does it say the aim is for a "day trip" style of business?

There are domestic trips where a day trip would take an even bigger bite out of the working day!

One would assume that's what they are aiming for, as unlike other countries with a common border (of which I am aware of) it's not the formailities at either end which is preventing more business going either way. It's the large amount of water inbetween.

Agreed, from the East Coast to DRW \ PER takes just as long (or longer) than BNE \ SYD \ MEL to AKL \ WEL \ CHC, however I also know people in PER who don't do business with the east coast cities because of the distances involved, and there most certainly isn't any customs \ aqis in the way there.

 

[serfty]

I guess there's always the ex PER redeyes to make a full day's ex East coast commute achievable.

 

[anat0l]

Trans-Tasman day trips will never work until teleportation or a genuine fast carrier is found. The effect of time zones kills a lot of the possibilities off (similar to problems with PER/East Coast "day trips").

Closest you could get is leave SYD or MEL on the last flight of the night, arrive in NZ very late, then bunk up in a hotel for a few hours. Last flights crossing back over the Tasman leave around 7pm or 8pm, which is stable enough for most work days. Arrive back in the land of Oz late at night.

That'd hurt, but at least if these streamlining measures come in then some of the pain may be alleviated. After all, the last thing you want happen when you're coming home from across the Tasman is to have a tiff with Quarantine.

PER day trips hurt in the same way, except you've got both the effects of the distance between East Coast and PER plus time zones. For those in PER intending to do business on the East Coast, not only are day trips impossible, but budgeting for a sortie on the "other side" is a nightmare.

 

[NM]

... however I also know people in PER who don't do business with the east coast cities because of the distances involved, and there most certainly isn't any customs \ aqis in the way there.

Perhaps there should be

 

[Flashback]

PER day trips hurt in the same way, except you've got both the effects of the distance between East Coast and PER plus time zones. For those in PER intending to do business on the East Coast, not only are day trips impossible, but budgeting for a sortie on the "other side" is a nightmare.

I find that it's easy from the east coast to do a day trip to PER but not quite so easy in the reverse. I can do (and am doing one next Friday) a half day trip to MEL, but it requires I leave at 6.10am (5.45am for SYD).

You can catch the 6am flights out of MEL/SYD and still arrive around 9am in PER which gives you a whole day as you then fly out on the 4.30 or 6pm flights.

On a day trip a 2 hour time change makes no difference to me.

 

[serfty]

Trans-Tasman day trips will never work until teleportation or a genuine fast carrier is found. The effect of time zones kills a lot of the possibilities off (similar to problems with PER/East Coast "day trips").
...

I know a guy from Auckland who worked for the NAB who was seconded to a once a week role in Oz for 2 months. (Before eventually moving his family over to Oz.)

On Fridays, he would catch a 6am flight from AKL to MEL, arriving 8am, work from 9am to 5pm and catch a 7:30pm flight back, arriving 1am, getting to sleep around 2am.

Similarly I have several times done a day work trip to PER, departing MEL 8am and arriving home around Midnight.

 

[medhead]

Interesting that Australia would send x-ray images of outgoing bags to NZ for them to analyse before arrival. How on earth would they match up bags to x-ray images in an easy manner - it's not like the x-ray image shows the bag tag. I know that Australia x-rays outgoing baggage already for illegal medicine/wildlife exports and similar, although I suspected that is a 1:1 type detection - ie, if a bag flags as containing something suspicious, it's immediately yanked off the belt and examined.

I thought that they'd pretty much automated the baggage handling systems, such that they are identified as they move through the system from check in to aircraft. Sure they might manually yank a suspicious bag after x-ray, but does that mean they haven't ID'ed the bags as they enter the X-ray machine?

 

[Tooner]

East Coast to DRW \ PER takes just as long (or longer) than BNE \ SYD \ MEL to AKL \ WEL \ CHC, however I also know people in PER who don't do business with the east coast cities because of the distances involved, and there most certainly isn't any customs \ aqis in the way there.

Crikey: don't give the secessionists any more ideas

 

[medhead]

Crikey: don't give the secessionists any more ideas

Which ones? Obviously not the TSV or CNS group.

 

[samh004]

Interesting that Australia would send x-ray images of outgoing bags to NZ for them to analyse before arrival. How on earth would they match up bags to x-ray images in an easy manner - it's not like the x-ray image shows the bag tag. I know that Australia x-rays outgoing baggage already for illegal medicine/wildlife exports and similar, although I suspected that is a 1:1 type detection - ie, if a bag flags as containing something suspicious, it's immediately yanked off the belt and examined.

I'd assume the bag tags (the ones they place on the bag when you check-in) could be read as they were x-rayed, and then they'd just look up in the computer where that bag was placed, which hold, etc... or when it arrives the system singles out that bag while the other bags are on their way to the carousel.

I know in HKG the tags have RFID chips in them, so they must all be individually identifiable.

 

[serfty]

I'd assume the bag tags (the ones they place on the bag when you check-in) could be read as they were x-rayed ...

That would be the barcodes being read.