The way out of lockdowns etc in Australia

[CityRail]

Another university of mine has announced the return to work plan, which will see tutors will be required to teach on campus whilst students will be learning from home eventually, and that eventually we will see students returning to campus later in Semester 2.

How about the commercial sector? Has your company decided when will you start returning to the office?

 

[jakeseven7]

Poor old Ananastacia's garbled messaging is coming back to bite her.

She did say September.

Sigh.

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Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk snapped at a reporter over a question about the reopening of the state’s borders.

“The roadmap says July 10 for the potential resumption of interstate travel,” the reporter said.
“Yeah, under review. It says very clearly,” the Premier responded.
“You said September on Monday,” the reporter replied.
“No, no – I said each month,” said Ms Palaszczuk. “I said very clearly each month we will be reviewing Sarah, don’t please put incorrect words in my mouth.”

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[drron]

That's probably worse than her answer on the Project where she said there was no point testing people without symptoms as they would be negative.

 

[Pushka]

That's probably worse than her answer on the Project where she said there was no point testing people without symptoms as they would be negative.

That was a poor moment. And yes, she did say September. They must be all exhausted so will cut them some slack.
We just need the SA Govt to get their act together. I think locking down was easy given the leading of the PM but working out of it is so much harder.

 

[CityRail]

That's probably worse than her answer on the Project where she said there was no point testing people without symptoms as they would be negative.

I think it is incorrect, there are people who are infected who are just yet to show symptoms and I think we should test our front line workers to ensure there's no hidden transmission chain in our community.

With the way out from lockdown, in NSW, it seems to me that Gladys is going to do a 6 stage exit rather than 3 stages where we can see every 2 weeks, she is going through half of the Stage 1, and from 1st June we are fully into Stage 1. So I am hoping by mid-June we will see restaurants etc start going into Stage 2, and then other restrictions in Stage 2 relaxed towards the end of June etc.

It also appears that Victoria is closely following NSW with the changes, which is about 1 - 3 weeks later, it opens following NSW, so I wonder whether the entirety of Australia will only reach Stage 3 by the end of July where we can think of a Stage 4 and gradual relaxation of borders from August only?

 

[Bundy Bear]

Both WA and Qld premiers are saying not to open the borders.
Pauline Hansen thinks there a case that the states should not be closed.

Open up those borders.

 

[Pushka]

Both WA and Qld premiers are saying not to open the borders.
Pauline Hansen thinks there a case that the states should not be closed.

Open up those borders.

Totally agree the game plan changed. From flatten the curve and manage health resources (has already happened) to complete elimination. We are currently stuck.

 

[Flashback]

Both WA and Qld premiers are saying not to open the borders.
Pauline Hansen thinks there a case that the states should not be closed.

Open up those borders.

That doesn't sound like the Pauline Hansen I remember, she couldn't wait for the borders (to the fish & ship chops) to be shut all those years ago. Interesting backflip.

 

[Pushka]

That doesn't sound like the Pauline Hansen I remember, she couldn't wait for the borders (to the fish & ship chops) to be shut all those years ago. Interesting backflip.

Ok. It's Pauline. Disregard a lot of what she says. But she does speak her truth and sometimes she is right.

 

[drron]

Pauline Hansen has only been saying she will put you in touch with one of the barristers who wants to run a High court case.

 

[ethernet]

The marginal cost for elimination is how many 100's of million per week? Or billion/. Vs the cost of tracing a mere handful of cases, from now known hotspots - even though ICU is not stressed. Wait two cycles is 28 days. I hope the cwth will punish SA and others, and just refuse to extend jobkeeper. I do believe the relaxations are timed to max out the free money period buy cash strapped states. Risk management is the name of the game, now - and spacing should become the new determinant.

 

[Hillbilly64]

Totally agree the game plan changed. From flatten the curve and manage health resources (has already happened) to complete elimination. We are currently stuck.

Think some states missed the memo and are all hung up on the numbers obsessing over a zero total. NSW and VIC case numbers seem huge when compared to the other states...but in reality they are miniscule compared to the rest of the world.

It's all something we need to learn to live with and Australia needs to remember it's one country not a bunch of individual states run by mini-wannabe-PMs.
(as a kiwi living in Australia the state level of government has always seemed like an extra level of money wastage)

 

[drron]

And across the ditch their PM let them go to the cinema last week.yesterday bars opened with a limit of 100 people as long as social distancing is observed.She trusts the ordinary folk.

 

[Anna]

the state level of government has always seemed like an extra level of money wastage

It's the Constitution, it's Mabo, it's justice, it's law, it's the vibe and, no that's it, it's the ... Constitution.

Imagine it's 1899 and Gladys, Dan, Annastacia, Steve et al are all PMs of their own fiefdoms and Scomo, Dutts etc come along and say 'why don't you give us a whole lot of your power, it would be great, really really great, it would be the greatest'. Glad they managed federation back then. It wouldn't happen today

 

[Pushka]

It's the Constitution, it's Mabo, it's justice, it's law, it's the vibe and, no that's it, it's the ... Constitution.

Imagine it's 1899 and Gladys, Dan, Annastacia, Steve et al are all PMs of their own fiefdoms and Scomo, Dutts etc come along and say 'why don't you give us a whole lot of your power, it would be great, really really great, it would be the greatest'. Glad they managed federation back then. It wouldn't happen today

Can you imagine the bun fight over GST allocation!

The marginal cost for elimination is how many 100's of million per week? Or billion/. Vs the cost of tracing a mere handful of cases, from now known hotspots - even though ICU is not stressed. Wait two cycles is 28 days. I hope the cwth will punish SA and others, and just refuse to extend jobkeeper. I do believe the relaxations are timed to max out the free money period buy cash strapped states. Risk management is the name of the game, now - and spacing should become the new determinant.

Totally not fair to abolish JobKeeper. Those businesses who are getting JK support just want the SA Govt to let them try get their business back on track. It's the SA Govt that is preventing that here. Geez, I never thought I'd see a liberal govt hold back small and big business. They were great at the beginning but along the way, they lost their way.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

And across the ditch their PM let them go to the cinema last week.yesterday bars opened with a limit of 100 people as long as social distancing is observed.She trusts the ordinary folk.

Maybe Australia is different? We have people going to work here - including medical professionals - while they have symptoms!

 

[jakeseven7]

Can you imagine the bun fight over GST allocation!

WA, SA, QLD are getting far too much GST time for a review, right now

 

[Pushka]

WA, SA, QLD are getting far too much GST time for a review, right now

And there's the wedge then.

Just heard a discussion on the radio just now from a former ABC commentator stating that the Politicians are back in Town now and whilst obviously doing a fabulous job, the Medical advisors are being shifted aside. His comment was that if she had her choice, SAs Medical Chief would lock up SA forever. There has been a very not so subtle shift in the power base.

 

[jakeseven7]

And there's the wedge then.

Just heard a discussion on the radio just now from a former ABC commentator stating that the Politicians are back in Town now and whilst obviously doing a fabulous job, the Medical advisors are being shifted aside. His comment was that if she had her choice, SAs Medical Chief would lock up SA forever. There has been a very not so subtle shift in the power base.

They don’t need to be shifted aside, they need to be tasked with the new normal and realigned to a new goal -

‘How to manage my states health outcome with the virus circulating actively, but not to the point of overwhelming to the point of X, my states health system’

CMOs job is not to worry about the economy, they aren’t educated or trained to manage anything broader than managing health outcomes so keep them advising in that space but need to change their goal posts.

I know they APRECIATE the cost society is/has paid for these results, but that’s not their real concern which is fine - should make it easier for them and make it clear to them that an active case load, rolling quarantines, shut downs, localised isolations are allowed and welcomed by the public.

Some of the CMOs have clearly been briefed this is their new job. Some are clearly still on their old job description.

 

[Pushka]

They don’t need to be shifted aside, they need to be tasked with the new normal and realigned to a new goal -

‘How to manage my states health outcome with the virus circulating actively, but not to the point of overwhelming to the point of X, my states health system’

CMOs job is not to worry about the economy, they aren’t educated or trained to manage anything broader than managing health outcomes so keep them advising in that space but need to change their goal posts.

I know they APRECIATE the cost society is/has paid for these results, but that’s not their real concern which is fine - should make it easier for them and make it clear to them that an active case load, rolling quarantines, shut downs, localised isolations are allowed and welcomed by the public.

Some of the CMOs have clearly been briefed this is their new job. Some are clearly still on their old job description.

Yes that makes sense. We all have to accommodate to the fact the virus is here to stay so let's just get on with managing what that looks like. And that was always the goal, well, it was back in March.