Worse than feet on bulkheads

[sudoer]

The ones I was referring to are the ones on the 787-9 herringbone. I think they are SS-III

Surprised to hear the SS3 is your pick for "worst J seat" - the Zodiac Aries is a similar design to the Cirrus III, which is also operated by CX, AA, DL, and AY amongst others. I've flown both Aries and Cirrus III a few times and found them comfortable enough, and I'm definitely on the larger side.

I'd pick it over JAL's Shell Flat Neo seat any day.

 

[cvmceg]

QF839 yesterday...

Worse than feet on bulkheads?

Not only feet on bulkhead, but legs on tray table, and seat reclined in to the bloke behind him!

 

[Denali]

QF839 yesterday...

Not only feet on bulkhead, but legs on tray table, and seat reclined in to the bloke behind him!

This deserves to be tweeted to the airline and publicly shamed

 

[cvmceg]

This deserves to be tweeted to the airline and publicly shamed

Isn't it grotesque!?!

Seat reclined the second the seat belt sign went off - much to the annoyance of bloke in row 2 - AND he didn't recline to sleep, was just drinking and playing around with his leg on the tray table and bulkhead the whole flight. Tray table partially protruding in to the aisle.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

This deserves to be tweeted to the airline and publicly shamed

Alternatively the airline could actually provide decent pitch and a proper leg rest? Other operators of 737s and A320s can offer 42-45 inches in business class.

 

[suze2000]

Yeah, I've been in that form of J on QF and it seriously sucks. Which type of plane is that, so I can remember to avoid it?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Yeah, I've been in that form of J on QF and it seriously sucks. Which type of plane is that, so I can remember to avoid it?

737 (And they fly those MEL/SYD to Bali )

 

[suze2000]

That's a 737? I'm sure the last time I flew J there was way more leg/recline space than that!! I'd rather have an exit row in Y.

 

[cvmceg]

That's a 737? I'm sure the last time I flew J there was way more leg/recline space than that!! I'd rather have an exit row in Y.

737 it was... i.e. the backbone of the QF fleet

 

[SRS65]

This deserves to be tweeted to the airline and publicly shamed

Definitely a candidate for name and shame - what an absolute bogan !

 

[BAM1748]

Alternatively the airline could actually provide decent pitch and a proper leg rest? Other operators of 737s and A320s can offer 42-45 inches in business class.

Certainly, but shouldn't blame the airline for this guy, other passengers in the same situation don't do this.

 

[SRS65]

Certainly, but shouldn't blame the airline for this guy, other passengers in the same situation don't do this.

Surely OH & S becomes a factor when pax act in this way?
This guy is the typical "entitled" style who shows no respect for fellow pax, the airline or anything except himself.
Actually - amend the above - as he has no respect for himself either !

 

[BAM1748]

Surely OH & S becomes a factor when pax act in this way?
This guy is the typical "entitled" style who shows no respect for fellow pax, the airline or anything except himself.
Actually - amend the above - as he has no respect for himself either !

OHS for having your legs on the table, that might be a long bow but I get your point and agree.

 

[dajop]

OHS for having your legs on the table, that might be a long bow but I get your point and agree.

Wouldn't it be more about tray table sticking out into aisle, that a FA could easily run into in the course of their duties?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Certainly, but shouldn't blame the airline for this guy, other passengers in the same situation don't do this.

Maybe other passengers haven't thought of this to get comfortable? Or maybe they aren't phsyically able to do it? (I've tried using a tray table once to try and get comfortable to sleep in ye olde days cradle seats. Didn't help much, but I was willing to try anything at that stage )

This guy is the typical "entitled" style who shows no respect for fellow pax, the airline or anything except himself.

Except for socks on the inflight magazine (the guy should have perhaps removed the magazines first), is this really impacting on other pax? The recline into the pax behind would happen regardless of where the guy's legs or feet are.




(Edited for clarity that the guy should have removed the magazines from the seat pcket, not his socks!)

 

[nutwood]

Maybe other passengers haven't thought of this to get comfortable? Or maybe they aren't phsyically able to do it? (I've tried using a tray table once to try and get comfortable to sleep in ye olde days cradle seats. Didn't help much, but I was willing to try anything at that stage )



Except for socks on the inflight magazine (the guy should have perhaps removed those first), is this really impacting on other pax? The recline into the pax behind would happen regardless of where the guy's legs or feet are.

I would say SRS65's assessment is quite accurate and that would be what most find offensive; total oblivion to the concept of considering other pax and, whilst we don't actually know of his other sins, we are quite happy to imagine a whole raft of unendearing, selfish traits, based on a single snapshot.
Personally, I wonder about the bloke behind. If I'd shelled out for J for a four hour flight, I would not have been happy and unfortunately would probably have said something. What is the protocol for seats? I've had to ask people to move their seats in Y, when I couldn't get my tray down, and they've always grudgingly obliged but what happens if you ask a FA, in a circumstance such as shown above?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Personally, I wonder about the bloke behind. If I'd shelled out for J for a four hour flight, I would not have been happy and unfortunately would probably have said something. What is the protocol for seats? I've had to ask people to move their seats in Y, when I couldn't get my tray down, and they've always grudgingly obliged but what happens if you ask a FA, in a circumstance such as shown above?

The pax in row 1 is reclining his seat as it is designed to do. How he has his legs (resting on the magazine rack, table, or whether he had them flat on the floor or even using cabin baggage as a footrest) doesn't make any difference to the angle of recline to the passenger behind.

The pax behind bought their ticket knowing the recline in QF business. And he has also chosen to cross his legs, which there just isn't enough space to do in this type of configuration. While there's a lot of debate about reclining in economy class, the same doesn't really apply to business class where an ordinary person can still eat their meal even with the seat in front fully reclined.

 

[kermatu]

737 (And they fly those MEL/SYD to Bali )

It’s why I will often take a Y flight when I can grab row 4 over a J ticket when row 1 is already taken on anything over 3 hours on QF.

I wish more airlines would make an announcement about being considerate of other passengers when reclining, especially during mealtimes (and foreshadowing that crew may ask you to adjust your seat). Probably won’t stop the uncaring oblivious.

I rarely recline in Y or J but always turn around or ask the crew to let the pax behind me know when I’m about to. Always get a very generous thank you either at the time or at the end of the flight. Not hard to make a potentially difficult situation easy.

 

[kermatu]

^ I dunno, it's a bit rough when you have to bring your own toilet-paper replacement!

Should have taken the QF magazine. Soft, strong and thoroughly absorbent.

With apologies to King and Country readers from Blackadder IV.

 

[kermatu]

It's called painting a visual image in order to add colour & texture to what would otherwise be a very bland text in order to add spice and flavour for the reader to better enjoy and appreciate the situation being described. Forums like this would otherwise be impossibly boring reads without it.

Actually I think it was embellishing an otherwise non-story with irrelevant points. Someone goes to the bathroom for 15 minutes. Gee, ban them from the airline immediately.