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Went to spud shed today, which along with being open 24 hours, was cheaper than both Woolworths and Coles on a large number of items. 69 cent spring onion bunch. 69c/kg potatoes.

No amex but can't win them all.

I feel like I have been liberated somewhat now I'm not chasing 500 points for $75.
 
Indeed, they cant seem to make their mind up on the message.

"Let's try to keep our revenue up with our QFF enticements so it maximises the sale value when WOW spins us off to a venture capital firm"
 
Mum and dad spend $174.18 shopping at Woolworths this week and wait for it.... they have accumulated a total of $0.74 Woolworths rewards.

There is no way I am chasing any Woolworths rewards unless something is on super special.

Thanks Woolworths. Less headaches too now.
 
Went into my local WW last night and hardly any orange stickers at all.
 
This morning I receive the following email, "Hi prozac,
To celebrate the launch of Woolworths Rewards, from Wednesday for the next two weeks there are more than half a million chances to win $10 Woolworths Dollars in participating Woolworths supermarkets."

$10, chance! I'll rush down there right away...
 
Mmm.The chance to win $10 WW$

This type of thing really smacks of someone inside WW, probably at C level feeling burned by the previous scheme. It immediately reminded me of a tax cut some of us got from the Aussie government 10 or so years ago that translated into the price of a cheeseburger+coke a month or whatever it was. Its the sort of thing that filters down from on high because, up on high, the scale of things can be staggering and hard to understand. The 3$ tax cut (or whatever it was, cant remember now), can translate into hundreds of millions at the aggregate end. Likewise, this 10$ WWR might have a total anticipated cost that is significant enough to have its own line item in budget reports at C level meetings.

Its a real problem for loyalty schemes and needs really professional number crunching of the type that insurance companies do on a daily basis - managing cost when you have bazillions of customers.

I'm as annoyed as anyone here about the recent woolies changes, supermarket shopping is again for me 'best shop of the day' and my woolies CC is only weeks away from getting dumped - as soon as I find a replacement. But the question remains, how to make your 'loyal' customers, or rather those who you'd love to remain loyal, happy and feeling valued without insulting them with ridiculous offers like this $10 chance of Woolies Rupiah?

You know what I find really interesting? I didn't even look closely at this until the recent changes were announced. Along with others on this thread I then checked what I'd actually earned in QFF points via direct earn on the EDR card over the course of my participation - how many years has it been? Can't remember, anyway, not including CC points earn which won't be affected by this change, but directly via the EDR bit of the program, I've only amassed a little over 26,000 points - assuming a buy price of say 0.5c each (and woolies immense buy power almost certainly pegged the cost lower than that) I've cost Woolies something in the order of $130-150 over all these years.

Yet, weirdly, it was enough to have me change my buying habits including my petrol buy habits throughout that period. Sure, to me those 26,000 points represent the potential for about $800 of ticket savings later, but even then, its not a lot. What I find interesting is the psychological effect that the program had on me, and, now its going away, is going to have on me, for a relatively few 'marketing' invested dollars per year.

I'm not in the least bit moved by the possibility to win $10 in WWR or saving 1-2$ a week on my shopping bill. Yet my previous QFF earnings translate into probably something like 30-50c a week cost to Woolies....
 
Moopere, I like to think that we are all leaving feeling much better educated than we were just a month ago...now that we have had a good long look at ourselves.
 
With 7 mouths to feed, our grocery bill is not inconsiderable. We've moved from 70:20:10 WW:Aldi:Coles to 5:25:70.
I can't see anything in the new scheme to attract customers to replace me
"Winning" $10 seems a desperate measure-I wonder if they have experienced a sales drop
 
Perhaps this is a good time to evaluate what the real cost to a customer is when it comes to loyalty. Many have noted that the cost to them was not a consideration it was all about the points. What other habits have we formed in order to chase the almighty point.

Since the advent of Simpler and Fairer and the demise of many other program benefits I have evaluated my flying and spending habits and to date I'm sad to say that QF have lost a significant portion of my business along with a number of its partners.

Best value is what I now look for in terms of cost and convenience.
 
Perhaps this is a good time to evaluate what the real cost to a customer is when it comes to loyalty. Many have noted that the cost to them was not a consideration it was all about the points. What other habits have we formed in order to chase the almighty point.

I only recently started going hard with trying to achieve the bonus offers and maximize my points in the last 12 mths.

I became pretty much ONLY a woolies shopper for this reason only.

I used to shop a lot at Harris farm and Aldi.

I am now spreading the love around Coles, Harris Farm and Aldi.
 


They could cover all the bases if they gave a choice to card holders, which they did. A discount at the pump (or checkout) or points.

They seem to have forgotten I have a choice, bye.

Matt
PS, have they been taking lessons from the QF PR dept and better and fairer :shock:
 
I am eager to Unsubscribe from Woolies rewards and their worthless "Woolworths Peso's", however the website won't let me .

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That article annoyed me so much I thought I would write a response. Hopefully someone at Woolworths reads this...

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Dear Ingrid,

Your piece in Business Insider Australia shows that you're out of touch and don't really understand what your customers want at all. Which is bizarre, considering you're the director of loyalty and customer data at Woolworths.

We expect personalised experiences, instant gratification and automatic rewards.

No, we don't want automatic rewards. We want a choice.

When it comes to loyalty, there’s growing ‘points fatigue’. There are more programs than ever and deciphering their value is often impossible, given varying redemption rates for the same points depending on how they are used.

So that's why you introduced another program where deciphering the value is impossible, as the number of "Woolworths Dollars" earned on a select few eligible products changes from week to week?

Woolworths-commissioned research suggests around one third of supermarket loyalty members actively linked to points programs have never redeemed points; not for flights, holidays, coffee makers, nothing at all.

This means that two thirds of your customers have redeemed their points. As for the other third, they are probably either saving them up or could use a bit of help in working out the best way to redeem them. They already have the option to convert Qantas points to savings at Woolworths, if that's how they choose to spend them.

For most, the length of time it takes to accumulate points is a frustration, for some, the level of spend required to get a reward is too great...

Most Woolies customers report that they have earned between $0 and $2 in Woolworths dollars for spends of several hundred dollars since the new program was introduced. They're just so keen to spend another ~$1000 just to potentially get $10 off in a few months' time. Thank goodness they no longer have to wait a long time or spend a lot of money to redeem their rewards.

The issuing of points that are never redeemed is known in the loyalty trade as ‘breakage’. It’s part of the business model for loyalty program operators that sell points to third parties.

Breakage of Qantas points is only an issue if customers do not visit a Woolworths store (or earn or redeem Qantas points in any other way) for over a year and a half. If your customers are not visiting Woolworths at least once every 18 months, then you're doing something wrong.

But this model works as a result of members failing to get value from your program.

I can think of many people that fail to see any value from a program that requires you to buy overpriced products just to get a delayed discount that they would get instantly if they shopped with your competitors! By comparison, I know many people that get a great deal of value out of the Qantas Frequent Flyer program. Myself included.

So when Woolworths decided to revitalise its customer loyalty program, we started with a blank sheet of paper...

...and got the work experience kids to fill in the blanks?

We asked our customers what they wanted from a loyalty program, and designed it around their needs.

Which customers did you ask??? None that I know of.

We consciously abandoned the opportunity to create a loyalty business with a revenue goal, trusting that if we gave customers what they wanted, more would choose to be loyal to their local Woolworths supermarket.

Which is why you've taken away the main incentive that kept tens of thousands of customers loyal, causing them to vow never to set foot in a Woolworths supermarket again?

Our research was definitive: For a clear majority of customers – 68% – money off their normal supermarket shopping is the preferred option versus only nine per cent who prefer a points-based scheme.

Surveys can get any result you want, depending on how the question is asked. How about conducting another survey and asking this:
"Do you want a rewarding loyalty program that lets you redeem points for a wide range of great products, including free flights around the world and upgrades to First Class? Or a terrible program where you only earn rewards on things you would never buy, and those rewards simply cover the extra cost you incur by buying those products at Woolworths?"

By simplifying the program and redirecting all of our investment straight to customers, Monash Business School analysis demonstrates our core program delivers $10 of value to the customer twice as fast as in our major competitor’s scheme.

Actually, Flybuys points can be earned a lot more quickly than Woolworths Dollars as they have clever, well-targetted bonus point promotions on a regular basis. And Flybuys points are earned for every dollar spent on every product; not just for every dollar spent over $30, or on a tiny range of packaged products that change weekly. Comparing redemption rates only is not a fair comparison - you must also compare the burn rates. Plus, Flybuys now give customers a choice of cashback or frequent flyer points. So which is the better program, exactly?

Crucially, customers will achieve that result without having to change their shopping patterns

Actually, they will have to change their shopping patterns completely in order to gain any sort of reward in your scheme purporting to be a "rewards" program. Based on my regular shopping patterns, I have earned $0 in Woolworths dollars so far having spent several hundred dollars since the new program was introduced.

As a mother of four-year old twins, I’m extremely time poor, so I don’t want to receive generic e-mails advertising products that have no relevance to me.

Oh, that explains why the products you have been featuring in the emails you're sending to me have no relevance to me. I would like to unsubscribe - but wait, your website won't even let me!

Customers want choice

That's right. They not only want choice, but they have it to - the choice to go to Coles and Aldi instead.

Warm regards,
Shoppers all over Australia who think Woolworths Rewards is a joke :evil:
 
That article annoyed me so much I thought I would write a response. Hopefully someone at Woolworths reads this...

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Dear Ingrid,

Your piece in Business Insider Australia shows that you're out of touch and don't really understand what your customers want at all. Which is bizarre, considering you're the director of loyalty and customer data at Woolworths.



No, we don't want automatic rewards. We want a choice.



So that's why you introduced another program where deciphering the value is impossible, as the number of "Woolworths Dollars" earned on a select few eligible products changes from week to week?



This means that two thirds of your customers have redeemed their points. As for the other third, they are probably either saving them up or could use a bit of help in working out the best way to redeem them. They already have the option to convert Qantas points to savings at Woolworths, if that's how they choose to spend them.



Most Woolies customers report that they have earned between $0 and $2 in Woolworths dollars for spends of several hundred dollars since the new program was introduced. They're just so keen to spend another ~$1000 just to potentially get $10 off in a few months' time. Thank goodness they no longer have to wait a long time or spend a lot of money to redeem their rewards.



Breakage of Qantas points is only an issue if customers do not visit a Woolworths store (or earn or redeem Qantas points in any other way) for over a year and a half. If your customers are not visiting Woolworths at least once every 18 months, then you're doing something wrong.



I can think of many people that fail to see any value from a program that requires you to buy overpriced products just to get a delayed discount that they would get instantly if they shopped with your competitors! By comparison, I know many people that get a great deal of value out of the Qantas Frequent Flyer program. Myself included.



...and got the work experience kids to fill in the blanks?



Which customers did you ask??? None that I know of.



Which is why you've taken away the main incentive that kept tens of thousands of customers loyal, causing them to vow never to set foot in a Woolworths supermarket again?



Surveys can get any result you want, depending on how the question is asked. How about conducting another survey and asking this:
"Do you want a rewarding loyalty program that lets you redeem points for a wide range of great products, including free flights around the world and upgrades to First Class? Or a terrible program where you only earn rewards on things you would never buy, and those rewards simply cover the extra cost you incur by buying those products at Woolworths?"



Actually, Flybuys points can be earned a lot more quickly than Woolworths Dollars as they have clever, well-targetted bonus point promotions on a regular basis. And Flybuys points are earned for every dollar spent on every product; not just for every dollar spent over $30, or on a tiny range of packaged products that change weekly. Comparing redemption rates only is not a fair comparison - you must also compare the burn rates. Plus, Flybuys now give customers a choice of cashback or frequent flyer points. So which is the better program, exactly?



Actually, they will have to change their shopping patterns completely in order to gain any sort of reward in your scheme purporting to be a "rewards" program. Based on my regular shopping patterns, I have earned $0 in Woolworths dollars so far having spent several hundred dollars since the new program was introduced.



Oh, that explains why the products you have been featuring in the emails you're sending to me have no relevance to me. I would like to unsubscribe - but wait, your website won't even let me!



That's right. They not only want choice, but they have it to - the choice to go to Coles and Aldi instead.

Warm regards,
Shoppers all over Australia who think Woolworths Rewards is a joke :evil:

Hallelujah!

Praise the Lord!!
 
Now do I want to win $10 pesky pesos from WW or do I want to enter the flybuys competition instead?Hmmm.
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