Will this revive the Corby debate?

[Shy180]

In a a word , no.

 

[JohnK]

It is reported that her half brother was carrying the boogie board bag before the arrest.He was subsequently found guilty of the armed invasion of a drug runner's house.

So she ended up ruining her life protecting a no hoper? Sad indeed....

 

[dragonman]

In my view this whole thread brings no credit on AFF. Whether or not Ms Corby is innocent, guilty is simply speculation on our part. Photos are easily photoshopped and I think those like the one above has no place here. It kind of reminds me of the Lindy Chamberlain witch hunt - somehow the fact that she is a woman means she is for some reason subject to an even deeper level of criticism (Ms Gillard attracts a similar hatred at times). Just seems to be all mean spirited. YMMV.

 

[medhead]

By the same token hundreds if not thousands of people ride in cars every day too, and only a few die (ie nothing bad happens to most of them). But we worry about road safety. I'm not so much about supporting the Corbys - more about being aware that the illusion that our airports are secure is nonsense. But maybe thats just me.

The roads are vastly more risky/dangerous that's why we worry about road safety.

 

[Mal]

Whether or not Ms Corby is innocent, guilty is simply speculation on our part.

She has gone through a judicial process, and has been found guilty. She exhausted her appeal options. By pure definition, she is guilty of the offence(s) she was charged with.

 

[dragonman]

She has gone through a judicial process, and has been found guilty. She exhausted her appeal options. By pure definition, she is guilty of the offence(s) she was charged with.

As was Lindy Chamberlain

 

[Mal]

As was Lindy Chamberlain

Didn't Ivan milat appeal his conviction too?

 

[Hvr]

Didn't Ivan milat appeal his conviction too?

As apparently is the custom for most criminals.


Regarding whether or not this will open the Corby debate I know nothing of the case apart from what was reported in the media. Based on that limited knowledge I can't see why it would impact on her case at all.

I suggest that this series of incidents should lead to a serious discussion about how to legalise drugs and appropriately tax them and disseminate harm minimisation strategies. Some people will use drugs regardless, others will use them occasionally and some of us would never use them even if they were legal.

The harm the drug trade is doing to society is worse than the harm from use especially when the latter could to some degree be regulated to improve user safety, when their use is legalised and the quality controlled.

 

[drron]

As was Lindy Chamberlain

First the Chamberlain case has no similarity to the Corby case.
And she was finally acquitted by the legal system.
As far as i am aware all that is left for Corby is a Presidential pardon.That is not what lindy chamberlain had to hope for.

 

[james4321]

First the Chamberlain case has no similarity to the Corby case.
And she was finally acquitted by the legal system.
As far as i am aware all that is left for Corby is a Presidential pardon.That is not what lindy chamberlain had to hope for.

The point is that both "went through a judicial process and were found guilty" but Lindy Chamberlain, after many years of protesting her innocence (like Corby), was finally acquitted. And Chamberlain had the good fortune to be fighting within the Australian system, not the Indonesian one.

 

[Sprucegoose]

First the Chamberlain case has no similarity to the Corby case.
And she was finally acquitted by the legal system.
As far as i am aware all that is left for Corby is a Presidential pardon.That is not what lindy chamberlain had to hope for.

Quite so in 1988 and this year she had the death certificate ammended accordingly.

 

[drron]

The point is that both "went through a judicial process and were found guilty" but Lindy Chamberlain, after many years of protesting her innocence (like Corby), was finally acquitted. And Chamberlain had the good fortune to be fighting within the Australian system, not the Indonesian one.

She was imprisoned for 3 years.In actual fact the first inquest supported her account of Azaria's death.It was orders from on high to have a second inquest and the guilty verdict was based on what turned out to be faulty forensic evidence and not testing what was believed to be blood at the tent site.
So a totally different circumstance making any comparison to the Corby case laughable.

And just why do you think the problem is the Indonesian legal system?Sure it is different because it is based on the European model rather than the English model.Do you believe the Dutch legal system is bad?
Maybe read through this interview on radio national-
Indonesian Legal System and Schapelle Corby - Saturday Extra - ABC Radio National (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Corby was convicted because she had the drugs on her and there was no hard evidence for her innocence.I doubt she would have been found innocent in an Australian court but who's to know.The sentence and subsequent prison facilities would have been very different but that is not the fault of the Indonesian legal system.

 

[Sprucegoose]

The point is that both "went through a judicial process and were found guilty" but Lindy Chamberlain, after many years of protesting her innocence (like Corby), was finally acquitted. And Chamberlain had the good fortune to be fighting within the Australian system, not the Indonesian one.

Have you dealt with the Indonesian legal system? Very different to ours!

 

[Mal]

It is also interesting that we haven't heard anything from the Bali 9 on recent times. They are just as innocent as schapelle and went through the same court system.

 

[Sprucegoose]

It is also interesting that we haven't heard anything from the Bali 9 on recent times. They are just as innocent as schapelle and went through the same court system.

I thought a few were due to be shot?

 

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

I have node if she's telling the truth, but the way the evidence was handled by the police in Bali makes me wonder. It was so contaminated from handling that it was practicaly impossible to do any kind of fingerprinting of the package. Now if she was guilty then that was a good thing for he, if not then it may have pointed the finger at someone - her brother, customs officials, someone local in Bali.

You only have too look at what happened with the Bali 9 and the Indonesian police "loosing" the dealer after he swapped caps and they got confused. The smell of police corruption was wafting over that one.

The only evidence was the 4.5kg of weed in the surfboard bag, and I've yet to hear of a good reason to export weed to Indonesia. There was really no effort to conceal it, and the size of the cube would have made it an easily visible bulge on the board.

By the sounds of what the corrupt customs officers were doing in Sydney they were more helping people who knew they were couriers, rather than using a random persons luggage to hide the drugs.

 

[kiwitripper64]

This made me remember the old story of the customs officers in Japan. To train their dogs they placed drugs in travellers bags and then got the dogs to find them. The passengers were tehn told of the procedure and went on their way. Until one day when they lost the passenger, luggage and drugs. Can you imagine turning up to a Tokyo hotel with 124g of cannabis. Oh ****. If you hand it in the cops will get you and if you destroy it maybe the gang that planted it will come looking for you. Not a happy travel moment.
Customs officers punished for planting drugs in passengers’ luggage | Japan Probe

 

[serfty]

"... No disciplinary measures have been announced for the dog. ..."

 

[markis10]

"... No disciplinary measures have been announced for the dog. ..."

Reminds me of a current article in our local police blog:

We are seeking your assistance to identify the man pictured, who police would like to speak with. Between December 3-5, the man with a large brown dog, gained access to a communal garage in Carl Street, Wooloongabba through an open roller door. The man removed the bike chain securing a push bike and left riding the bike.
For the record, we don’t need the dog unless he confesses to being the coughatoo!

 

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

This made me remember the old story of the customs officers in Japan. To train their dogs they placed drugs in travellers bags and then got the dogs to find them. The passengers were tehn told of the procedure and went on their way. Until one day when they lost the passenger, luggage and drugs. Can you imagine turning up to a Tokyo hotel with 124g of cannabis. Oh ****. If you hand it in the cops will get you and if you destroy it maybe the gang that planted it will come looking for you. Not a happy travel moment.
Customs officers punished for planting drugs in passengers’ luggage | Japan Probe

There was a similar incident a year or two ago in the UK where some explosives were planted in a suit case and were not retrived and the owner of the case wasa non the wiser till he got home and then was raided by the police. At least they knew he was innocent, but still, not a fun way to arrive home and have the bomb squad greeting you.