Why does the Velocity website show a rolling 12 month SC total?

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At the end of the day it's pros and cons, not universally better or worse.

The up side of the fixed dates is you can technically earn gold (or any level) for almost 24 months if you time it right, the downside is if you don't time it right you can end up with a lot of wasted SCs
 
Yeh its a matter of what works best for you.

For me, I love the current rolling 12 month system VA has. Its much better for me than QF's fixed "membership year" system.
 
I find the rolling system fairer for those who don't have regular 'business' travel patterns; I was sick of coming close to gold on Qantas time and time again. With VA's rolling system and family pooling, I was able to push from silver to gold in February prior to an overseas trip providing me with lounge access etc.

I Just hit 995 points and have already been upgraded to platinum this week, meaning that for the return JFK>LAX>SYD PE trip tomorrow, I will receive 100% bonus points which I'm pretty happy about. Seems like a pretty fair system!
 
Hi all. Quick question from a Maintain Gold newbie. I have 398 of the 400 credits required and my review date is 7 June. I will earn 2 more status credits at the very least shopping at Coles this month but not sure if these credits will make it into my account by 7 June. They are technically earned in May. Do they give you some leeway if credits are slow to post? I wouldn’t want to just miss out
 
When you open the site your details show on the right hand side with a status credits total which is meaningless. It gives you your 12 month rolling total rather than the total number of SCs you have in your current membership year. That would be much more useful as it's a dashboard of your progress towards requalifying. Is there any purpose whatsoever for the rolling total?

It's certainly not meaningless for most members. It's actually the only relevant SC figure for those without status, and also the most relevant figure for anyone who is trying to move up a status level. I agree the rolling total is also meaningful for anyone who already holds status, but that is displayed as well.

Speak for your own situation by all means. Do not speak for me.

It does NOT work in my favour, as my partner and I are at times 6 months apart in Review Dates. Depending on whether she has dropped or gained a level in the past year etc. It is a disaster for us, and doubtless for many others.

Why do you think that is a problem? In reality, this actually presents further opportunities for you to exploit family pooling to your advantage. I'm pretty sure that this system does actually work in virtually all members' favour.

If this was such a You Beaut system the Americans would be using it and they do NOT. No-one does.

US-based carriers are not renowned for introducing features that benefit the customer!

As far as I can tell, the only benefit of a fixed 12 month system (based on either calendar year or anniversary date) is that it means status will initially be valid for more than 12 months. However, that is completely irrelevant for anyone who expects to retain their new status level, i.e. it's really only a bonus for people who don't generally earn enough SCs for that particular tier, and who have just gained a higher status level as a one off. I can't think of a good reason why any loyalty program should be designed with those people in mind, as opposed to the people who will at least maintain their new status level, if not move up further.

Anyone who achieves a given number of SCs within a fixed 12 month period would also achieve at least the same number of SCs within a rolling 12 month period. Conversely, there are many scenarios in which people might reach much higher SC balances within a rolling 12 month period than within a fixed period. In short, a system that suddenly reduces SC balances to zero makes life much more difficult for members.

For example, the first time I reached Gold with QF, I earned ~600 SCs just before my membership year ended, then went back to 0, then earned another 700+ SCs within about 3 months of my new membership year starting. If QF had a rolling system, then (a) I would have reached Gold a couple of months (and many flights) sooner, and (b) I would have reached Platinum soon after reaching Gold. As it was, I didn't reach Platinum with QF for about another 8 years.

This isn't just specific to my circumstances - a person's SC balance based on a rolling 12 month period can never be lower than the balance during a fixed 12 month period, but the balance will often be significantly higher based on a rolling period.
 
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This isn't just specific to my circumstances - a person's SC balance based on a rolling 12 month period can never be lower than the balance during a fixed 12 month period, but the balance will often be significantly higher based on a rolling period.

Conversely, I've previously managed to get myself 23 months of gold status with a series of flights taken straight after an anniversary date.
 
Conversely, I've previously managed to get myself 23 months of gold status with a series of flights taken straight after an anniversary date.

Yeah, I mentioned in my previous post that this is the one benefit of a fixed period versus a rolling period. (It was in the same post that you quoted from!)

I assume you were unable to retain your Gold status in this example, since the 23 month validity was important for you? If so, I imagine that's a relatively unusual scenario - it requires a lot of stars to align to get status so soon after an anniversary date, if you don't ordinarily fly a lot with the relevant airline/its partners.

Conversely, pretty much everyone will reach a higher peak SC balance every year with a rolling system than a fixed one - substantially higher in many cases, potentially enough to reach a status level that they would never otherwise get to.

Getting back to my example, although my initial QF status was valid for 19 months under their fixed period system, if they had used a rolling system instead, I would have:
(i) Reached Gold sooner
(ii) Reached Platinum a couple of months later, with a validity of 12 months
(iii) Been guaranteed a further 12 months of Gold if I failed to retain Platinum

In reality, I just retained Gold every year for the next 4 years, which meant that the initial extra 7 months of validity was irrelevant. There were at least 2 more occasions during that period when I could have moved up to Platinum under a rolling system.
 
Just to clarify. With a rolling 12 month period, am I correct in assuming that this also applies to the 'sectors flown' requirement as well (ie they will 'roll' with the 12 month period)?
 
Just to clarify. With a rolling 12 month period, am I correct in assuming that this also applies to the 'sectors flown' requirement as well (ie they will 'roll' with the 12 month period)?

As I understand it, sectors required to be flown need to be within the yearly anniversary cycle. i.e Not rolling. The VFF website only shows the rolling 12 month SC balance, not the sectors flown - to achieve a higher status or retain an existing status needs the correct flown sectors in the anniversary year.
 
As I understand it, sectors required to be flown need to be within the yearly anniversary cycle. i.e Not rolling. The VFF website only shows the rolling 12 month SC balance, not the sectors flown - to achieve a higher status or retain an existing status needs the correct flown sectors in the anniversary year.

Sorry, maybe I'm misunderstanding your statement but the website shows the required number of sectors to fly before your next anniversary date:
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Sorry, maybe I'm misunderstanding your statement but the website shows the required number of sectors to fly before your next anniversary date:
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Yes, that is what I mean. Using my terminology in your case, the anniversary cycle or anniversary year is from 13 May 2018 to 13 May 2019 where (presumably 8 sectors of which you've flown one) the required sectors need to be flown. Not some other random 12 month period where say you had 4 sectors right at the end of April and 4 more in June giving you the required 8.
 
For requalification of a level the requisite sectors need to be traveled and SC's earned in the 365 days prior to the review date on the card. (e.g. For WP, 8 and 800 in 12 months.)

* That is, for requalification the earning dates are set to a 12 months period.

For Qualification up a level the requisite sectors need to be traveled and SC's earned in any period of up to 365 days . (e.g. For SG -->WP then 8 and 1000 SC's within and period of 365 days or less. )

* That is, for qualification the earning dates can be of any period of up to 365 days.

As an example if in November/December a silver member has 6* eligible flights and earns 500 SC's with the last flight on December 21st then they will earn SG. They then have 365 days until December 21st the next year to requalify SG (4 eligible flights and 400 SC's). If during the next February/March they earn another 500 SC's and have at least 2* more eligible flights they will earn WP having had at least 8 flights (6 & 2+) and earned 1000 SC's in the previous 5 months. If the date of the 1000th SC was March 20th then they have 365 days from that date to requalify WP with another 8 flights and 800 SC's.

*only 4 required for SG, but this relates to WP requirement of 8.
 
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Just to clarify. With a rolling 12 month period, am I correct in assuming that this also applies to the 'sectors flown' requirement as well (ie they will 'roll' with the 12 month period)?

Some complicated answers there! The basics are that the sector requirements are on the same time frames as the SC requirements.

So rolling 12 months to go up
Anniversary/ Review dates for renewal.
 
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