Who else still holds the Citibank Free For Life Premier Card?

Interesting opinion, that NAB can void a contract by the transfer of ownership if that's what you're suggesting. I don't think so.

Brissy1, something that was shared with me on another forum.
It's not mine but I have permission to share it.
It's the best analysis I have read to date.

"For background, a material term of the fee free for life deal was that Citi would not charge an annual fee for cardholders for so long as they held the specific card (i.e. for life)… This was subject to Citi's market standard right to change other product features or change fees (except annual fees), which are in turn subject to financial services law. E.g. the 'significant event notice' 1017B requirement.

It's worth noting that many cardholders who originally signed up held the Citi 'Signature' card, which Citi then migrated over (both FFFL and regular cardholders) to the Citi 'Premier' card and the FFFL cardholders retained the $0 annual fee. I think this same change happend for other Citi FFFL cards too but I'm not sure.

NAB then acquired the Citi business in 2022 and Citi assigned the rights/obligations under the existing credit card contracts to NAB. From this point the issuer of the cards was NAB and the $0 annual fee still applies.

If NAB were to try to introduce a fee for the FFFL cardholders at this stage, I would say:

The standard provisions in their t&cs are subject to the initial agreement with Citi for a $0 fee for life, - noting that previous card branding and product changes didn't trigger a change to the fee by Citi or NAB - and any time a product transfer or change had occurred the original $0 fee was honoured. (I.e. it might be a different scenario if the product itself was withdrawn from the market with no transfers occurring with any cardholder)

If NAB assert that they nonetheless have the right to introduce an annual fee because of the condition of holding the original card is no longer met, this is problematic for them because someone could argue (a) it may breach their obligation to act 'efficiently, honestly and fairly' (see 912A(1)(a)) noting that this is a longstanding arrangement honoured since ~2014 by Citi and then NAB once they were assigned the contracts (b) there may be an equitable estoppel or similar remedy, given the cards have been issued under a FFFL arrangement since ~2014

There's probably other legal reasons to support the argument but, ultimately, when NAB bought the business off Citi they 100% would have completed due diligence and known that a subset of cardholders were under $0 annual fees. So they should just cop the loss (if any) on these cardholders and they will reduce through attrition"


The word "assigned" addresses your transfer of ownership observation.

The proper context is "NAB then acquired the Citi business in 2022 and Citi assigned the rights/obligations under the existing credit card contracts to NAB".
 
Well, another week, another several thousand keystrokes devoted to lengthy posts about something that hasn't actually happened...

It's all becoming a bit tiresome really, so I'm out of this thread unless there is actual official word that NAB is seeking to scrap fee waivers, thereby changing their official communications on this, or there is something else of note happening to FFFL cards.
 
I keep this card for having 2 x free priority pass (and formerly KrisFlyer points) but part of me wouldn’t mind being forced to close it as I feel the 10k limit affects my churning …..for just 2 lounge passes. It was great a few years ago when they allowed you to drop limit from 15k to 10k but still 10k blocks things up. I travel overseas 4 or 5 times a year and always manage to work the travel insurance with overlapping churned cards.
I miss the CitiDining bottle of wine and then submit a manual PBI meal claim ….before 2016 when it was unlimited.
 
I keep this card for having 2 x free priority pass (and formerly KrisFlyer points) but part of me wouldn’t mind being forced to close it as I feel the 10k limit affects my churning …..for just 2 lounge passes. It was great a few years ago when they allowed you to drop limit from 15k to 10k but still 10k blocks things up. I travel overseas 4 or 5 times a year and always manage to work the travel insurance with overlapping churned cards.
I miss the CitiDining bottle of wine and then submit a manual PBI meal claim ….before 2016 when it was unlimited.
(Ah, a post that's not about an annual fee that's not being charged. How refreshing!)

To my mind, if you're not routinely being rejected for 'Black' level cards at the moment, there's no reason to ditch it. There are a few countervailing considerations compared to the limit itself:
  1. The long time you've held the FFFL card is likely to be viewed favourably by some credit providers (e.g. Amex) who aren't fond of churners.
  2. The repayment history of the FFFL card also looks good in a credit history.
  3. While you've juggled travel insurance successfully across multiple cards, having a 'keeper' in the wallet makes travel insurance much easier to manage.
 
Well, another week, another several thousand keystrokes devoted to lengthy posts about something that hasn't actually happened...

It's all becoming a bit tiresome really, so I'm out of this thread unless there is actual official word that NAB is seeking to scrap fee waivers, thereby changing their official communications on this, or there is something else of note happening to FFFL cards.
I think that it's clear that NAB is at the least considering it, and if they know through public discussions that there is informed pushback it may affect if, or how (maybe in a fair manner), they proceed.
 
I think that it's clear that NAB is at the least considering it, and if they know through public discussions that there is informed pushback it may affect if, or how (maybe in a fair manner), they proceed.
They have considered it (past tense).
It had nothing to do with us.
There about a dozen people on another forum who get it.
A storm is brewing but some will not board up their windows while there's no wind.
It is far easier to make assertions without evidence and disparage others with labels.
 
Well, another week, another several thousand keystrokes devoted to lengthy posts about something that hasn't actually happened...

It's all becoming a bit tiresome really, so I'm out of this thread unless there is actual official word that NAB is seeking to scrap fee waivers, thereby changing their official communications on this, or there is something else of note happening to FFFL cards.
Control A.
Control C.
Control V.
Accompanied with several movements and right clicks of the mouse.
Accompanied also by several keystrokes to provide context.
Would have been very clear from the first two sentences.
 

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