What routes should QF fly?

[flychrisfly]

I've never understood why Qantas don't fly to Athens. Given the volumes of Greeks and their descendants in Oz (esp but by no means limited to Melbourne) it would seem like a logical choice.

 

[docjames]

I've never understood why Qantas don't fly to Athens. Given the volumes of Greeks and their descendants in Oz (esp but by no means limited to Melbourne) it would seem like a logical choice.

They used to have a stop/flight in ATH (JohnK will be able to tell us when perhaps?)

Expect ATH to be one of the earlier EU targets of JQ ex-SIN when the 788s arrive (or using HGW 330s).

 

[browski]

1 flight per day..........from any port in Australia to DXB. It should not be very hard to fill.

.......also MEL-BOM ........Australia's best city to India's best city.........you know it makes sense.

 

[ajw373]

1 flight per day..........from any port in Australia to DXB. It should not be very hard to fill.

.......also MEL-BOM ........Australia's best city to India's best city.........you know it makes sense.

Actually it would be hard to fill, because once the passengers get to DXB where would they go? Emirates does well on this route because clearly DXB is their home port so easy to distribute passengers onto onwards flights.

 

[ajw373]

I've never understood why Qantas don't fly to Athens. Given the volumes of Greeks and their descendants in Oz (esp but by no means limited to Melbourne) it would seem like a logical choice.

Simple. You could get a plane load of economy class passengers, but would struggle at the pointy end and hence wouldn't be able to make any money on the route. Hence Jetstar with it's lower cost base, where routes like this may well be profitable.

 

[browski]

Actually it would be hard to fill, because once the passengers get to DXB where would they go? Emirates does well on this route because clearly DXB is their home port so easy to distribute passengers onto onwards flights.

Well first of all, there are thousands of Aussies/Kiwis living/working in the UAE (and neighbouring gulf countries - so they do not have to "go" anywhere.

Secondly, there are a host of OneWorld and other partner connecting flights from DXB - namely Air Berlin, Royal Jordanian, S7, Kingfisher, CX and BA.

Winner route for sure (preferably ex-MEL)

 

[Captain Paul]

With only TWO international destinations(SIN & HKG) out from Perth, I query the future of QANTAS as an international airline.
The answer to this question is any additional route would suit!
However, the number one preference would have to be the resumption of the Perth - Tokyo direct flight.
Unlike UK and other Asian destinations there is no competition on this direct route for QANTAS. The problem was it just wasn't marketed well enough and was neglected with the use of very old 767's that did not offer the inflight experience expected of an international airline. The PER-NRT route was the was the best stopover for West Australians to the North American continent avoiding domestic layovers at SYD and LAX and the ability to arrive in a shorter time. The Japanese ski season was popular with the business community and their families offering an easy overnight 10 hour flight and morning connection to best ski fields in the world. However, QANTAS never marketed this to the wider WA public. I have also used the PER-NRT route as a hop to Europe, a nice stopover at Cherry Blossom time.

 

[Robert K]

I read somewhere before, Qantas are offloading "tourist" routes to jet star and keeping qantas branded routes to main business hubs.

 

[ChrisCunard]

In that case are QF saying that PER / WA businesses are not engaging with China, Japan, Indonesia, UAE. The links between business in WA and China alone must be massive?

 

[Robert K]

I'm sure qantas picks the most profitable routes to fly. Perth is hardly a economic powerhouse.

 

[ejb]

I'm sure qantas picks the most profitable routes to fly. Perth is hardly a economic powerhouse.

You only post to annoy people. Go away.

ejb.


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[Robert K]

Too precious?

 

[ejb]

Too precious?

I live in Sydney but can acknowledge Perth as a major city. You were posting to get a comment and I should learn to not feed trolls.

ejb.


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[Robert K]

merely suggesting perth doesn't have the economic spending power to sustain more flights.

If it would be more profitable for qantas to fly these suggested routes, don't you think they would already be doing it?

I might be direct and not sugar coat what i say, but that doesn't mean i'm trolling. you obviously haven't seen a real troll at work.

 

[ChrisCunard]

How about this - old route map circa unknown:

PER - JNB
PER - CGK
PER - DPS
PER - NRT
Flights to Rome.
Flight to Paris.
All gone.

Ah, when you look at that route map it makes you want to cry...

 

[ChrisCunard]

merely suggesting perth doesn't have the economic spending power to sustain more flights.

If it would be more profitable for qantas to fly these suggested routes, don't you think they would already be doing it?

I might be direct and not sugar coat what i say, but that doesn't mean i'm trolling. you obviously haven't seen a real troll at work.

WA's economic growth is helping fuel Australia's economy - but that's another story.

EK, SQ, MH, CX, SA, BI, GA, TG, NZ all have a strong presence in PER and this means that there is a sustained business case here.

 

[Grooba]

Well first of all, there are thousands of Aussies/Kiwis living/working in the UAE (and neighbouring gulf countries - so they do not have to "go" anywhere.

Secondly, there are a host of OneWorld and other partner connecting flights from DXB - namely Air Berlin, Royal Jordanian, S7, Kingfisher, CX and BA.

Winner route for sure (preferably ex-MEL)

Connections from DXB/AMM was what I was interested in also...

obviously ex-SYD would be more logical

 

[ajw373]

Well first of all, there are thousands of Aussies/Kiwis living/working in the UAE (and neighbouring gulf countries - so they do not have to "go" anywhere.

Secondly, there are a host of OneWorld and other partner connecting flights from DXB - namely Air Berlin, Royal Jordanian, S7, Kingfisher, CX and BA.

Winner route for sure (preferably ex-MEL)

Lets do the sums on this? Lets say each one of the ex-pats flies home once per year. That means to fill 300 seats a day you would need 109500 ex-pats in the area. This is of course assume all 300 a day would want to fly to a single destination and all want to take their turn at flying home to even things out.

Reality is Emirates has ~10 flights a day to 4 or 5 Australian cities, so Qantas would have no a hope in hell of filling a single aircraft a day.

As for connection options, why would Qantas want to connect with those airlines in the gulf?

Looking at them individually lets start with CX. Can write this connection off straight away because NO ONE will fly to Dubai on Qantas then CX to Hong Kong when both clearly fly direct to Hong Kong from multiple Australian cities

Kingfisher, would be better to connect in Singapore which is Qantas's major O/S hub.

Air Berlin, rumor has it Qantas will change German flights to Berlin when the new Berlin opens next year, so that's where Qantas will connect with them. In the meantime Bangkok is a more direct connection point.

S7 would think that like Air Berlin Bangkok would be a more logical connection point.

BA, why would passengers want to change aircraft in Dubai when there are already 6 BA/Qantas through flights a day through other ports. One more connection would make SFA difference.

And lastly Royal Jordanian, yes good connection to get to Jordan, but beyond Jordan it would mean changing twice. In fact if Qantas were to add a middle east destination Amman would be the perfect port thus allowing access to Royal Jordanian with a single change rather than trying to compete with Emirates or Ethiad in their own back yard.

 

[ajw373]

WA's economic growth is helping fuel Australia's economy - but that's another story.

EK, SQ, MH, CX, SA, BI, GA, TG, NZ all have a strong presence in PER and this means that there is a sustained business case here.

Actually it doesn't make a case. If you look at most of those airlines (maybe exclude Garuda, Royal Brunei and Air New Zealand) each are flying to their home hub ports from where they can then distribute passengers to destinations beyond.

People really do fail to see or understand the importance of onwards travel on most of the airlines that serve Australian ports. Hence one reason why Qantas really needs a OneWorld partner with a large regional network, enter MH or they need to make their own regional carrier, enter JetStar Asia.

 

[JohnPhelan]

How about this - old route map circa unknown:

PER - JNB
PER - CGK
PER - DPS
PER - NRT
Flights to Rome.
Flight to Paris.
All gone.

Ah, when you look at that route map it makes you want to cry...

Yes, but there are also quite a number of new flights/destinations that weren't being flown then (the map seems to be from the very early 2000s):

BNE-LAX
SYD-DFW
SYD-PVG (on own metal)
SIN-BOM
SYD-EZE
CNS-POM (on own metal)
plus there's now many more codeshares (on AA) for domestic flights in the US.

So while we have lost some, we've gained others. You can't expect QF to fly on routes that lose money.