What cheeses me off

[anat0l]

Cigarette packets have graphic pics and warnings like in Australia — but in English??

Wouldn't stop them anyway.

Smoking is still a very big thing in Europe. There isn't enough groundswell to make it so stigmatic to the degree it is in Australia. You're lucky you can sit inside and smoking is prohibited. According to what I could find quickly, smoking is also banned in some public spaces that are frequented by children (e.g. you can't smoke in front of schools). But otherwise generally outdoor it is not restricted. Seeing cigarette butts discarded onto rail tracks isn't remote. And of course, who you don't catch and fine didn't do anything illegal (just like everywhere else in the world).

Vapes seem to escape quite a lot of attention (e.g. they are not subject to the same restrictions in front of schools etc. as regular cigarettes). On that note, we have a vape problem in Australia, if not a cigarette one. I don't know definitively what are the health risks (if any) related to vapes compared to cigarettes (hopefully it would not take just as long and with just as many deaths to convincingly decide on vapes compared to that required to rule on cigarettes), but I can tell you that underage (viz. under 18) vaping is not an uncommon thing. (Wouldn't be surprised if some parents were supplying their kids)

 

[VPS]

Wouldn't stop them anyway.

Smoking is still a very big thing in Europe. There isn't enough groundswell to make it so stigmatic to the degree it is in Australia. You're lucky you can sit inside and smoking is prohibited. According to what I could find quickly, smoking is also banned in some public spaces that are frequented by children (e.g. you can't smoke in front of schools). But otherwise generally outdoor it is not restricted. Seeing cigarette butts discarded onto rail tracks isn't remote. And of course, who you don't catch and fine didn't do anything illegal (just like everywhere else in the world).

Vapes seem to escape quite a lot of attention (e.g. they are not subject to the same restrictions in front of schools etc. as regular cigarettes). On that note, we have a vape problem in Australia, if not a cigarette one. I don't know definitively what are the health risks (if any) related to vapes compared to cigarettes (hopefully it would not take just as long and with just as many deaths to convincingly decide on vapes compared to that required to rule on cigarettes), but I can tell you that underage (viz. under 18) vaping is not an uncommon thing. (Wouldn't be surprised if some parents were supplying their kids)

I was in a restaurant in Austria last year and asked if I wanted a smoking or non smoking table inside

 

[anat0l]

I was in a restaurant in Austria last year and asked if I wanted a smoking or non smoking table inside

Well that's quite surprising: Smoking in Vienna

Wouldn't surprise me if they were trying to skirt around the law.

 

[Quickstatus]

I wanted a smoking or non smoking table inside

What is the practical difference?

 

[DejaBrew]

What is the practical difference?

 

[anat0l]

What is the practical difference?

Likely separate areas, i.e. not just the same overall room split in half with half being smoking and other half non-smoking.

In some cases, the separation may have also involved walls such that smoke can't get into the rest of the building. A bit like smoking rooms idea. Alternatively, it might be an outdoor area that is covered which is reserved for smoking, which has doors which close off from the rest of the building.

 

[OZDUCK]

see my early reviews of the Movenpick in the Accor thread. After several bouts of feedback we have now reaching accommodation and they looked after me pretty well.

WCMO , no , what totally pi**es me off is smokers and vapers in France. Smoking rate is at least three times that in Australia and it shows. Cannot sit on a terrace withs beer or outside bistro without being surrounded by bloody smokers and vapers. But of course you don’t need to be surrounded by them you only need one of them up wind.

Lady next to me right now alternating between fa_s and vapes. Two others in her group vaping. People walking past clutching their vapes.

Cigarette packets have graphic pics and warnings like in Australia — but in English??

It did really annoy me that on a number of occasions in southern France last year we would end sitting inside a restaurant with very few or no other people while the beautiful terrace outside would be unusable to us because of the clouds of smelly cigarette smoke.

 

[VPS]

Well that's quite surprising: Smoking in Vienna

Wouldn't surprise me if they were trying to skirt around the law.

Who said I was in Vienna - there are a lot of other places in Austria

What is the practical difference?

separate rooms

 

[Cossie]

Same in Bulgaria and Romania last year, I went into a cafe in Kosovo because it had "no smoking" signs posted, I think everyone bar the person who was making the coffee was smoking, each table had an ashtray.
One place I sat down to have a coffee and moved the ashtray to another table, the waiter apolgised that it was missing and brought another one to my table.

 

[anat0l]

Who said I was in Vienna - there are a lot of other places in Austria

Good point... then apologies for the assumption, though I'd be a bit surprised (maybe I shouldn't be) if the rules were very different across the country.

 

[Seat0B]

What is the practical difference?

Nada I’d say! Or should that be Keine Ahnung?